Obama Apologizes to Muslims Over Koran Burnings While US Servicemen Get Murdered

[David Taylor]

Also, all of Islam has not declared war on America. Some Muslims have, but that doesn't mean the entire religion has. Saying something like this is as bad as the anti-Semitic propaganda put out by the Nazis while the Holocaust was going on.

But your statement above is out of line with the actions, deeds, and teachings of Mohammd; who all who follow and submit to Islam are to follow and emulate as closely as possible in word and deed.

Nazism in all it's horror, attempted to exterminate and eliminate certain groups that it deemed subhuman and inferior. Mohammed taught that Islam should conquer all peoples and religions; until they all either follow and submit to Allah and his prophet Mohammed, or are killed for rejecting Allah and his prophet Mohammed. So with Islam, it is much worse than Nazi Germany who only targets a few subgroups of localized humanity; and who themselves only had a following of a few million people. Islam and the teachings and actions of Mohammed target all non-Islamic people; as well as Islamic people who are not fully following Mohammed as he taught in word and deed; and Islam has not a few million followers, but hundreds of millions if not a billion+.

Islam has not declared war solely on America, but rather Islam has declared war on all the people of planet Earth that reject Allah and the teachings, words, and deeds of Mohammed as his sole and greatest prophet; and Islam has been steadily growing to accomplish it's goal of world-wide dominion by force over the last 13 centuries.

Passive muslims who do not support the jihadist tactics and murderous evils that Mohammed taught all muslims to do to advance the growth of Islam themselves eventually become targets of true Islam, the millitant Islam of Mohammed that came out of Medina, and is responsible for nearly every geo-politcal and religious murder, genocide, and autrocity that is occuring on a daily basis on our planet now; because of the fundamental goal that Islam is teaching all it's followers in regards to Mohammed.

I would suggest to all if you think these summations are harsh, stop listening to CNN soundbytes about the so-called 'religion of peace' and the notion that Islam is not a radical world-dominion quested political/religious system, and spend a few hours reading the biography and teachings of Mohammed as found recorded in the Sirat and Hadiths; the Sunnah of Mohammed that all Muslims are to follow, emulate, and strive to be like as their example of how to live and interact with others.

If people want to learn from history; then educate yourselves about the history of how Islam has conquered all of the nations, kingdoms, and peoples it has subjegated since 700 A.D. when Mohammed first began to cause heads to roll by the millions in Medina and thereafter....because the biggest trail of tears of the last millennia and a half ends at the blade of a scimitar shouting "Allah Akbar", and the Islamic mandate of the Sunnah that Allah requires all muslims to adhere to.

Standing up against the teachings of Mohammed is not liken to anti-semtisim, trails of tears, or japanese internement camps at all. Too many non-Muslims are completely ignorant about what Mohammed spent his life doing, and what Mohammed taught that all muslims should be doing, and what the Koran itself teachings all mulsims should do in regards to Mohammed and his teachings and actions.

[keck553]

Not to mention Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini's close association with Hitler. Some suggest "the final solution" was the Mufti's idea. That woudln't surprise me at all.

[keck553]

I think the burnings were ok. Those Korans weren't burnt out of religious hatred. They were burnt because they were being used by terrorist to communicate in code. They desecrated those holy books when they did that. Why is no one talking about this?

They're too busy tripping over their political correctness stumbling block.

[Liquid Tension]

I agree with this. I don't agree with their reactions, the protests, or any of that either. What I was trying to point out was the fact that the improper and violent reactions of some Muslims to this burning does not make the burnings ok, Obama's apology any less required by proper manners, or mean that all Muslims agree with the violence, as some (and I'm not pointing to anyone in particular here) would suggest.

Got ya and agreed.

[RevLogos]

But your statement above is out of line with the actions, deeds, and teachings of Mohammd; who all who follow and submit to Islam are to follow and emulate as closely as possible in word and deed.

Nazism in all it's horror, attempted to exterminate and eliminate certain groups that it deemed subhuman and inferior. Mohammed taught that Islam should conquer all peoples and religions; until they all either follow and submit to Allah and his prophet Mohammed, or are killed for rejecting Allah and his prophet Mohammed. So with Islam, it is much worse than Nazi Germany who only targets a few subgroups of localized humanity; and who themselves only had a following of a few million people. Islam and the teachings and actions of Mohammed target all non-Islamic people; as well as Islamic people who are not fully following Mohammed as he taught in word and deed; and Islam has not a few million followers, but hundreds of millions if not a billion+.

Islam has not declared war solely on America, but rather Islam has declared war on all the people of planet Earth that reject Allah and the teachings, words, and deeds of Mohammed as his sole and greatest prophet; and Islam has been steadily growing to accomplish it's goal of world-wide dominion by force over the last 13 centuries.

Passive muslims who do not support the jihadist tactics and murderous evils that Mohammed taught all muslims to do to advance the growth of Islam themselves eventually become targets of true Islam, the millitant Islam of Mohammed that came out of Medina, and is responsible for nearly every geo-politcal and religious murder, genocide, and autrocity that is occuring on a daily basis on our planet now; because of the fundamental goal that Islam is teaching all it's followers in regards to Mohammed.

I would suggest to all if you think these summations are harsh, stop listening to CNN soundbytes about the so-called 'religion of peace' and the notion that Islam is not a radical world-dominion quested political/religious system, and spend a few hours reading the biography and teachings of Mohammed as found recorded in the Sirat and Hadiths; the Sunnah of Mohammed that all Muslims are to follow, emulate, and strive to be like as their example of how to live and interact with others.

If people want to learn from history; then educate yourselves about the history of how Islam has conquered all of the nations, kingdoms, and peoples it has subjegated since 700 A.D. when Mohammed first began to cause heads to roll by the millions in Medina and thereafter....because the biggest trail of tears of the last millennia and a half ends at the blade of a scimitar shouting "Allah Akbar", and the Islamic mandate of the Sunnah that Allah requires all muslims to adhere to.

Standing up against the teachings of Mohammed is not liken to anti-semtisim, trails of tears, or japanese internement camps at all. Too many non-Muslims are completely ignorant about what Mohammed spent his life doing, and what Mohammed taught that all muslims should be doing, and what the Koran itself teachings all mulsims should do in regards to Mohammed and his teachings and actions.

Very good post. All of this is quite true. Until you have studied it yourself, you might find what David said hard to believe. Especially if everything you know comes from non-Muslim sources.

I will only add that if one really wants to study Islam, avoid all of the pundits and study using material created by Muslims, for Muslims. Very little said about Islam in the mainstream press is correct, whether from the left or the right.

Read the Koran. It can be difficult so get good Islamic commentary (Tafsir). Tafsir Ibn Kathir is very good and well respected in Islam. Read Reliance of the Traveler, a more modern manual of Sunni jurisprudence. Read some of the Hadiths and Sunnia, but start with the Koran. You don't have to read all of it to get a good understanding of what's going on. Up through Sura (chapter/book) 9 covers the main points and is generally considered the most important.

[Sojourner55]

We have been conditioned to disdain anyone who suggests that Islam promotes violence, is intolerant, or seeks world domination. I wonder how we should regard ex-Muslims who warn that Islam is about world domination, not peace--and that death and violence and terrorism against infidels is directly in line with the teachings of the Qur'an? What should we think of an ex-Muslim who calls Allah a "god of hate?" Are they "Islamophobes?"

Kamal Saleem, Walid Shoebat and Wafa Sultan are but a few of the ex-Muslims that have stated repeatedly that Americans should wake up learn from the methodical spread of Islamic power and influence around the world.

Not susceptible to charges of intolerance and bigotry, and unafraid of the scourge of political correctness, they state without hesitation, that we are opening the gates to a Trojan Horse dedicated to seeing us either converted to Islam, or dead. Are they being hateful, or do they simply know what they're talking about?

In the following video, Wafa Sultan flat out states that Islam has not been hijacked by a radical element, but rather the minds of all Muslims have been hijacked by Islam, by virtue of being brainwashed by their own belief system. Her most candid statements about the religion she escaped from begins at about 4:25 of the video.

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[Sojourner55]

I agree with a growing number of ex-Muslims, that a radical minority hijacking Islam is not the real problem. Rather, it is the ideology espoused by the typical Muslim mindset is the problem--which blinds their minds to the light of the Gospel, and perceives all other religions as inherently evil and their de facto enemy. There are millions of good, peace-loving Muslims around the world who just want to live their lives, raise their families, and get along with other people.

Unfortunately, there is a large enough segment of the Muslim world that are able to be whipped into a fanatical frenzy by extremists--which almost always manifests itself as mindless violence. It's also unfortunate that this violence is so prevalent that even Muslims are targeted if they disagree with the radical leadership. It's like being captive on a bus with a bunch of terrorists, with a terrorist at the wheel: you may not want to go where the bus is being driven, but you are not given the option of getting off. You go where the bus goes.

But the bottom line for us is: Muslims are lost souls. And they are lost because they are brainwashed by a false religion. As terrorist-turned evangelist George Saieg says: "I really look at even Osama bin Laden himself as a victim of Islam. My problem is not with Osama bin Laden. My problem is not with the Muslim people," Saieg said. "My problem is with the teaching of Islam, the teaching of Koran because this is what is pushing Muslims to do what they're doing."

The only hope for Muslims is to escape the system that has their minds enslaved. And--praise God--an estimated 6 million of them are being freed by Jesus every year--often by means of supernatural manifestations, designed to counteract the level of brainwashing, and fear of retaliation for leaving Islam. We do Muslims a great disservice by not making it clear that Jesus is the only escape from eternal damnation.

Which group of Christians is in the wrong: those who point to Islam as a false religion that offers a false hope, and is an enemy of world peace, or those who bend to political correctness, and fail to impress upon Muslims the eternal consequences of trusting the wrong god? Are we being good stewards of our Lord if we fail to be as adamant and fervent in spreading the Gospel as the Muslim evangelists?

[RevLogos]

In the following video, Wafa Sultan flat out states that Islam has not been hijacked by a radical element, but rather the minds of all Muslims have been hijacked by Islam, by virtue of being brainwashed by their own belief system. Her most candid statements about the religion she escaped from begins at about 4:25 of the video.

This theory, that Islam is a great religion that had been hijacked by a few radicals, was being promoted by George Bush early in his "war on terror". It is one of the ideas that led me to read the Koran.

I had wondered how this could be true. There is no parallel in Christianity (yea I know, sure there are a few kooks, but nothing so systemic). I did learn early on that Muslim apologists like to claim that one cannot really understand the Koran unless it is read in Arabic. This makes no sense; if the Koran really is the word of God, why would God write it so that it could only be understood in one language? But still I thought this might be the route through which it could be hijacked. If Muslims didn't understand Arabic then they would be dependent on what their Imams were telling them the Koran actually said.

The only way to know was to read it for myself. What I expected was to find something like the Bible. A bunch of mythology that generally promoted the idea of love and good will toward others. I think I should say about now that at the time I began my study, I was not a Christian. I was atheist occasionally leaning agnostic, usually when stepping on an airplane.

What I found was absolutely stunning. Totally unexpected.

In those non-Christian days, I didn't really believe evil existed. People were basically good, Satan was a bad metaphor.

I know now how wrong I was.

[David Taylor]

Muslim apologists like to claim that one cannot really understand the Koran unless it is read in Arabic.

This is one of the most ignorant, ridiculous soundbyte that gets bandied about.

Firstly, 85% of all the worlds Muslims are NOT Arabic.

Secondly, of the 15% that are Arabic, many are 3rd world extreme poverty illiterate and cant read anyway.

To say one must read the Koran in Arabic excludes most all Muslims alive and who have ever lived from understanding it.

Luckily God's TRUE word has been put to pen in hundreds of languages, welcoming all languages to drink it in and embrace it.

[Watchman]

Obama needs to apologize for HIS actions and HIS destruction of America and HIS lack of leadership...TO AMERICA! I do not hate him, nor will I cut his sorry, unqualified self any slack for all the lies he's told, for his ideology, or his penchant for apologizing for America for just about everything in our history. This makes me neither ignorant, nor hateful of Mr Obama...it simply shows that I see through his smoke-and-mirrors, lawless, anti-semitic, anti-Christian, anti-American agenda. I do not wish ill of or for him, but I hope his teleprompter starts telling the truth. I am not outraged that he apologized for the burnings...I am outraged that he said NOTHING about those who were murdered as a result. I guess some folks are just to busy bowing to take the side of the country they were hired to lead.

Watchman

[Watchman]

I realize my post above is rather tersely worded, and I make no apology for that. Many, many Christians must learn that we are saints...not doormats. I do not hate Mr Obama...I hate his agenda, because it is evil. If my post offended anyone, that was not my intent. My intent was to show outrage at the actions and policies of this prez which are detrimental to this country and denigrating to our military personnel...as well as dangerous.

Andy the Watchman

[keck553]

I realize my post above is rather tersely worded, and I make no apology for that. Many, many Christians must learn that we are saints...not doormats. I do not hate Mr Obama...I hate his agenda, because it is evil. If my post offended anyone, that was not my intent. My intent was to show outrage at the actions and policies of this prez which are detrimental to this country and denigrating to our military personnel...as well as dangerous.

Andy the Watchman

Sometimes the truth comes in harsh reality. God is not apologetic about His truth, though harsh at times from our perspective.

[Sojourner55]

I realize my post above is rather tersely worded, and I make no apology for that. Many, many Christians must learn that we are saints...not doormats. I do not hate Mr Obama...I hate his agenda, because it is evil. If my post offended anyone, that was not my intent. My intent was to show outrage at the actions and policies of this prez which are detrimental to this country and denigrating to our military personnel...as well as dangerous.

Andy the Watchman

I agree with everything you said. Look, truth is truth, and generally speaking, if it seems harsh, it's harsh because of the wrongness that is exposed in a person or thing. If a thing is not right, and that fact is manifested by the light that shines upon it, we don't blame the light for exposing the wrong. I respect the office of President, but I have zero respect for the man who now holds that office.

I'm getting sick of Obama's people playing the race card every time someone criticizes his inept leadership, detrimental policies, and the image of weakness he projects to the world. I find myself--both as a Christian and an American--diametrically opposed to nearly everything Obama says, does, and represents. I see no need for apologizing for the truth.

[Dani H]

Asking forgiveness of one's own wrongdoings doesn't mean acknowledging that other people's wrongdoings weren't wrong.

I don't know in what ways that applies but there you go.

[Brother Mark]

I am no fan of our president's policies. But apologizing for the burning of the books seemed a wise course of action and as Dani said above, is not an endorsement of what others do. I know personally that God has had me apologize to others when I was 10% wrong and they were 90% wrong. When I fussed about it, I got a one sentence answer... "You have more light."