Sinning as a Christian = sinner?

[Slug1]

Jesus said, " If you love me keep my commandments." Why would He give us an impossible task?
Fact is, He wouldn't.

It's not an impossible task. All things through Christ is possible. So this is why "THROUGH" Christ any Christian "can" resist the devil as we're told to do. Not all do it though. Thus, we have all the scriptures explaining about the "struggle" and the NEED to walk in the Spirit so lusts of the flesh ARE NOT fulfilled. Not everyone does it though. Thus, all the scriptures showing how people who had accepted Christ had to be discipled... go from milk to meat.

[Mark F]

Jesus said, " If you love me keep my commandments." Why would He give us an impossible task?
Fact is, He wouldn't.

Jesus said many things that are impossible to do.

The reason He did so was to show us our need for Him.

Do you believe you love Him as He should be loved, which is completely and perfectly every moment of every day?

[DDGresham1]

Jesus said, " If you love me keep my commandments." Why would He give us an impossible task?
Fact is, He wouldn't.

You are ignoring ALL other scripture and taking this to mean "You will keep them ALL THE TIME" which it does not say. It is much more clear when you take the WHOLE of scripture what is going on. You can't take one or two verses and ignore the other 10 that prove otherwise.

[DDGresham1]

No one is ever perfect in any period in their lives except Christ. Before, during or after salvation. We are more perfect than the unsaved in our behavior but that's about it.

[Gettheebhindme]

I've heard some say, that as a Christian... you are not a "sinner", or that you "can't" sin, that Christians can't be called "sinners" at all. That there are NO sinners in the Body of Christ.

Seems that any Christian who is tempted and fails to resist, sins and is thus a sinner and anyone who thinks of themselves as not a sinner... is LYING to themselves.

Anyway... I read through 1 Corinthian chapter five and we find "Christians" that are totally undiscipled"... not undisciplined, but UNdiscipled.

The result of the lack of discipleship sure is about them being undisciplined though.

Can anyone who believes that as a Christian you CAN'T sin and that there is NO sinNER in the Body of Christ... care to explain your understanding?

Paul has to disciple the Corinthians about "holiness" because now that the Corinthians have "accepted" Christ and are in Christ and there is a day that they WILL BE SAVED... he has to fix them first because they are sinners, STILL!!

I also read about the 7 churches in Revelation and sin sure was allot of the reason that caused Jesus to come down hard on them. Not that there are people in those churches who aren't in Christ and are thus "sinners" but that those IN Christ and are FULL member of those churches... sin led to many of the problems that Jesus said, FIX THIS NOW!

So, if the thought process is that there are no SINNERS once people are in Christ... then why did Paul ever have to correct the Corinthians of long list of sins???

A Christian cannot sin, if he obeys God.

The sin lies in not obeying God.

1Sa 15:10 ¶ Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,

1Sa 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul [to be] king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments.

True Christians as the true servants of God – cannot sin.

[DDGresham1]

A Christian cannot sin, if he obeys God.

The sin lies in not obeying God.




True Christians as the true servants of God – cannot sin.

Not very convincing...sorry. Please read at least the last four pages of the thread because that post didn't clear anything up. For one thing it's stating that he isn't following ANY of God's commandments at all, not that he falters on occasion.

[Gettheebhindme]

Not very convincing...sorry. Please read at least the last four pages of the thread because that post didn't clear anything up. For one thing it's stating that he isn't following ANY of God's commandments at all, not that he falters on occasion.

He failed to do that which God commanded.

I suggest you read Samuel.

If you live as God commands you cannot sin.

[Slug1]

A Christian cannot sin, if he obeys God.

The sin lies in not obeying God.




True Christians as the true servants of God – cannot sin.

Is there never a need to repent anymore after accepting Christ?

Do read the thread please.

Tell me, if a person kills a loved one of yours and for a week or a month or a year, you can't forgive that person immediately as God would have you forgive them... you are in sin the entire time your are UNforgiving.

Are you saying this example is impossible?

I truly believe that there are Christians that would actually IMMEDIATELY forgive the killer of their loved one, I have no doubt of that. Yet, to SAY I would forgive immediately and then to have it happen and find that forgiveness isn't that easy (true forgiveness, not the lip service kind)... isn't really that easy. I've counseled Christians that are SEVERELY convicted to forgive a person from their past who hurt them... the fact that they are SINNING due to their unforgiveness doesn't help them and some don't even realize that CONSTANT conviction TO FORGIVE the person is the Holy Spirit pointing out the SIN they are doing. Do to the HURT they are HOLDING onto, they use that to say they can't forgive.

They don't understand that FOR the hurt to ever GO AWAY, they must FIRST forgive.

I've taken people into prayer to REPENT of their unforgiveness and ask God for a heart that will forgive and God answered and once they forgave the person, they weren't convicted anymore and they moved on from their HURT.

In the meantime, the person they were forgiving has been dead for several years... it's that SIN of unforgiveness that keeps them hurting while they stumble along in sin.

[Gettheebhindme]

Is there never a need to repent anymore after accepting Christ?

Do read the thread please.

Tell me, if a person kills a loved one of yours and for a week or a month or a year, you can't forgive that person immediately as God would have you forgive them... you are in sin the entire time your are UNforgiving.

Are you saying this example is impossible?

I truly believe that there are Christians that would actually IMMEDIATELY forgive the killer of their loved one, I have no doubt of that. Yet, to SAY I would forgive immediately and then to have it happen and find that forgiveness isn't that easy (true forgiveness, not the lip service kind)... isn't really that easy. I've counseled Christians that are SEVERELY convicted to forgive a person from their past who hurt them... the fact that they are SINNING due to their unforgiveness doesn't help them and some don't even realize that CONSTANT conviction TO FORGIVE the person is the Holy Spirit pointing out the SIN they are doing.

I've taken people into prayer to REPENT of their unforgiveness and ask God for a heart that will forgive and God answered and once they forgave the person, they weren't convicted anymore.

In the meantime, the person they were forgiving has been dead for several years... it's that SIN of unforgiveness that keeps them stumbling.

Of course I will forgive them.

If someone slaps me in the face, shall I not present my other cheek?

I forgive in the knowledge that God will do his will, and the trespasser will be judged.

If you cannot live in the grace of God, then hell awaits.

[Slug1]

Of course I will forgive them.

If someone slaps me in the face, shall I not present my other cheek?

I forgive in the knowledge that God will do his will, and the trespasser will be judged.

If you cannot live in the grace of God, then hell awaits.

I didn't say slap you in your face only to offer the other... I said, kill one of your loved ones.

Slapped in the face is persecution.... big deal. God says I am blessed to be persecuted.

You gonna push forward another loved one for a killer to kill?

BTW... I'm glad you'll never burden a counselor, such Christians are a rarity.

[Gettheebhindme]

I didn't say slap you in your face only to offer the other... I said, kill one of your loved ones.

Slapped in the face is persecution.... big deal. God says I am blessed to be persecuted.

You gonna push forward another loved one for a killer to kill?

BTW... I'm glad you'll never burden a counselor, such Christians are a rarity.

Are you saying that all things are not God’s will?

If the evil doer kills me, or my family; is this not God’s will?

Who am I then to question God?

I do as he commands, and act as he hath shown, because I have faith.

Mat 14:31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?

[Slug1]

Are you saying that all things are not God’s will?

If the evil doer kills me, or my family; is this not God’s will?

Who am I then to question God?

I do as he commands, and act as he hath shown, because I have faith.

Not all Christians think the same. They will allow their flesh to overcome them and allow the hurt they feel from a loved one being killed by a killer, to hinder their forgiving of that person who killed their loved one.

Are you gonna say to them that they are NOT a Christian because they can't IMMEDIATELY forgive the killer?

[Gettheebhindme]

Not all Christians think the same. They will allow their flesh to overcome them and allow the hurt they feel from a loved one being killed by a killer, to hinder their forgiving of the person who killed their loved one.

Are you gonna say to them that they are NOT a Christian because they can't IMMEDIATELY forgive the killer?

Yes.

The first generation out of Egypt, offended God.

Therefore they wandered in the wilderness.

Did not Moses see the Promised Land, but could not step one foot upon it?

Did not Abraham offer up his son?

This is the will of God.

If you begin to question God, you are destined for hell.

[Slug1]

Yes.

The first generation out of Egypt, offended God.

Therefore they wandered in the wilderness.

Did not Moses see the Promised Land, but could not step one foot upon it?

Did not Abraham offer up his son?

This is the will of God.

If you begin to question God, you are destined for hell.

Lets step from the Old Covenant through the Law to the New Covenant through Jesus. We're talking about Christians.

NONE of the people you're talking about are Christians and during that period of time, none of them COULD ever be Christians.

Besides... if anyone murdered a person back then, they were killed, NOT FORGIVEN.

So let's keep the topic about Christians... OK?

[PJW]

Mark F…post 182,
What impossible things did Jesus command us to do?
Love? Obey? Stay free from sin?
If you do the first two, you accomplish the third.
To the rest of the defenders of sin, “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for His seed remaineth in him: and he CANNOT sin, because he is born of God.” (1 Jo 3:9)
“A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” (Matt 6:18)
“Him hath God exalted with His right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. And we are His witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM.” (Acts 5:31-32)
Was John lying in his letter, about God’s seed not being able to bring forth evil fruit?
Was Jesus lying about a good tree not being able to bring forth evil fruit?
Was Peter lying about God giving His Spirit to Only those that obeyed Him?
A hundred and ninety posts, mostly excusing sin, and making excuses for the haters of God. By rationalizing the sins of “the world”, you make my God seem like an unfair tyrant who is unjust to throw the disobedient into the lake of fire. But “the world” has had fair warning. Sodom and Gomorrha, and the world before the flood are the template for those thinking that God won’t punish ALL the evil doers.
Jesus made a way for us to get rid of the flesh and its’ nature. Those that hold on to the past are destined for damnation. But by turning from every part of their wickedness, (repentance), and baptism into Christ, and His death, you can start a life that glorifies the High Priest of my profession. A life that is pleasing to God, ALL THE TIME. Or, you can keep defending sin, and keep racking up points with satan. But redeeming those points will profit you nothing.