Sinning as a Christian = sinner?

[Slug1]

You misquoted me in your Romans 7: citing. I said Paul was a Pharisee when he struggled with the flesh, not a Christian.

NEGATIVE... From v23-25... Paul is talking of himself AS AN Apostle and he admits his struggle... he don't hide it from us.

The weak Christians you refer to go to false churches where they can blend in with the other defiled fakers.

Negative... Paul is talking to brethren of the Body of Christ. Nothing to do with "false churches"... not the context of the Book of James, specially chapter 5 when he tells Christians how trespass (sin) to seek help from righteous brothers and sisters.

You would look at them and tell them because they trespass, they're NOT Christian anymore. God is telling us that they CAN sin and when they do, CONFESS.

Confess why? To hear you say they aren't a Christian anymore?

[Slug1]

As a matter of fact, the context of chapter 5 of James concludes with ever MORE truth that Christians can sin!!

Christians CAN sin, they CAN TURN away and they are facing DEATH... and God Himself is asking us to help TURN them back... to HIM.

James 5:19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

PJW... why would you tell them they aren't Christians when the Bible is telling YOU... that when a Christian sins, to point out their error!! So stop telling them they aren't Christian... God is telling YOU (all of us) to help them.

I'm pointing out to YOU that YOU are in ERROR.

1 John 1:8 SHOWS you just how IN ERROR you are, so in error the Bible calls it... deceived.

You lied about scripture tonight, you LIED about scripture... several members in this thread see the FRUIT that you are bearing and actually have bared all throughout this entire thread as you continually use scripture out of context and ignore when members try to help you put it all INTO context.

All we can do is point out your error, the Bible TELLS US TO... and it's up to you to listen and turn back to God's TRUTH.

We've done our part... you do yours now.

[PJW]

Colight,
You are wrong. "If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ covers our sins. (I Jo 1:7) Jesus didn't sin, so there is no sin in that light that I walk in.

[Colight]

Colight,
You are wrong. "If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ covers our sins. (I Jo 1:7) Jesus didn't sin, so there is no sin in that light that I walk in.

Yes, that is why you need 1 john 1:9.. to deal with your sin so that you can walk in that light.
As per 1 john 1:8 all Christians sin..best to keep a short account of sin.

[DDGresham1]

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[PJW]

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Paul was speaking of his time as a Pharisee in Romans 7: 8-24, as is evidenced by his (that is, in my flesh), in verse 18. Hiscomment tells us that he wasn't born again as a spiritual man yet, while he faught the "law of sin in his members" in verse 23. In Romans 8:2, Paul says he has been freed from "the law of sin". As a Christian, he didn't have to fight something he was free of, while he did battle it as a Pharisee.

[Slug1]

Colight,
You are wrong. "If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ covers our sins. (I Jo 1:7) Jesus didn't sin, so there is no sin in that light that I walk in.

PJW... you are not speaking in the contextual truth of scripture. The Bible shows you this in the VERY next verse when it says this:

1 John 1:⁸ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

You must balance v 7 with 8 to have the TRUTH IN YOU. No doubt Christ is in you... just that due to being deceived, the "truth" of the Bible is not in you.

[Slug1]

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Paul was speaking of his time as a Pharisee in Romans 7: 8-24, as is evidenced by his (that is, in my flesh), in verse 18. Hiscomment tells us that he wasn't born again as a spiritual man yet, while he faught the "law of sin in his members" in verse 23. In Romans 8:2, Paul says he has been freed from "the law of sin". As a Christian, he didn't have to fight something he was free of, while he did battle it as a Pharisee.

You said earlier that you are still trying to verify this... I told you to even have to verify that is wrong. Paul is talking about himself as a Pharisee up to verse 15 and by v17 is reached, it's clear he's talking about himself as an Apostle and this is verified by the time we come to v23.

Verse 15 is in the present tense... what he is DOING... not what he did. What he "WILL" do, not what he once did.

v18 he really begin to explain the "struggle" he has between mind and flesh now that he is IN Christ.

We ALL have the exact same struggle and Paul expresses it perfectly for us to understand what the struggle is ALL ABOUT.

You see, here's the problem... what you say shows that the truth is not in you. You MUST refuse to accept the truth of the Bible to maintain your belief that YOU ARE SINLESS.

You aren't sinless... Bible tells you that you aren't and to say you ARE without sin... means that you are deceived and the truth is not in you.

[DDGresham1]

and he deliberately posted scripture that he added to...that's all you need right there to know for a fact that he isn't sinless.

[PJW]

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If you are walking in darkness, as the people in verse 6 were, you cannot say you have no sin. But I walk in the light. Jesus' blood has covered my sins of the past. I am free from sin. Weren't you once? Maybe after your baptism, when you came up out of the water, couldn't you say you had no sin?
Real Christians don't commit sin. They have denied themselves. They don't war after the flesh.

[Slug1]

and he deliberately posted scripture that he added to...that's all you need right there to know for a fact that he isn't sinless.

Yeah... that was a REAL BIG fruit basket of LYING.

[Slug1]

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If you are walking in darkness, as the people in verse 6 were, you cannot say you have no sin. But I walk in the light. Jesus' blood has covered my sins of the past. I am free from sin. Weren't you once? Maybe after your baptism, when you came up out of the water, couldn't you say you had no sin?
Real Christians don't commit sin. They have denied themselves. They don't war after the flesh.

Yes they do... Paul did and explained it to us all.

You lied during this night of posting... ya really need to look in the mirror.

How many more need to point that out to you before you "get it"?

I'll tell you what... real Christians do what James 5:15 tells them to do when they sin... they confess.

[Slug1]

Here is another example of Paul in the flesh... Acts 15

v36 Then after some days Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us now go back and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they are doing.” 37 Now Barnabas was determined to take with them John called Mark. 38 But Paul insisted that they should not take with them the one who had departed from them in Pamphylia, and had not gone with them to the work. 39 Then the contention became so sharp that they parted from one another. And so Barnabas took Mark and sailed to Cyprus; 40 but Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended by the brethren to the grace of God. 41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.

So... can Christians react in the flesh or not?

If not... was Paul ONCE AGAIN not a Christian after this argument with another brother in Christ?

[PJW]

"Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him neither known Him." (I Jo3:6)
"Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous." (I Jo 3:7)
"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil." (I Jo 3:8)
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.( I Jo 3:9)
"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. ( I Jo 3:10)
I am born of God. I don't commit sin, I can't because His seed remaineth in me.

[Colight]

"Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him neither known Him." (I Jo3:6)
"Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous." (I Jo 3:7)
"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil." (I Jo 3:8)
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.( I Jo 3:9)
"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. ( I Jo 3:10)
I am born of God. I don't commit sin, I can't because His seed remaineth in me.

The seed of Adam is also with in you..
So until you die you will have a sin nature you are quite able to commit sin..

It is amazing the authors of scripture committed many sins, yet some how you never do so.
Does that make you a better Christian than them? or was they not Christian?