Sinning as a Christian = sinner?

[Noeb]

Gadgeteer post 613,
I'm already with Jesus. (Col 3:3) When Christ appears, I will be with Him. (Col 3:4)

Here's one.

1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

[Gadgeteer]

Gadgeteer post 613,
I'm already with Jesus. (Col 3:3) When Christ appears, I will be with Him. (Col 3:4)

Good verse.

....not quite the right answer...

In this hypothetical scenario, Jesus is coming back and people are gathering to meet Him. There is some sort of gate, and some person is stopping people and asking them: "What REASON do you have to join Him?"

"You being already there" is not the reason; what was the reason for you, behind Col3:3-4?
(It would be the same reason that you would say to the "gate-keeper"...)

"For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory." Col3:3-4

Why are you "hidden with Christ in God"?

:-)

[mailmandan]

Remission of sins happens in baptism. (Acts 2;38) (Luke 3:3)

Remission of sins happens "in baptism" or happens when we "believe in Him for salvation prior to baptism?" (Acts 10:43-48; 11:17; 15:8,9)

[RLG]

Seems pointless to me to debate those "already perfected". The very basis of their claim is predicated on the false belief that there is no room or need for improvement. Sanctification for them is logical fallacy.

[Slug1]

Slug1 post 573,
Your opinion that no man can be free of sin, and able to say as much, manifests that you feel everyone keeps sinning. If you cannot say you have no sin, you have sin. That's a recipe for disaster. If obedience to God is "impossible", why can I do it?

It's not impossible as I've been saying in agreement with you. I posted the scriptures as well, James 4:7.

However, to say "I have no sin" falls under 1 John 1:8 & 10... this is why ANY Christian who says this... is a Christian who is deceived.

This is why... while it's possible that a person never sins due to SUBMISSION to God, they still can't say that they have NO SIN. Submission to God doesn't take the lusts out of the flesh, they will always be there until we posses our resurrected bodies. Then we will have no sin "in us".

You and anyone who doesn't sin, are putting James 4:7 into action.

If a person states they "have no sin" then 1 John 1:8 & 10 are to inform us what their problem is... they are deceived.

You have not acknowledge once that I agree with you 100%. I HAVE stated that a person can be in submission and thus, NOT SIN. I just won't bow down to you and say that Christians can "have no sin". Thus it seems nothing I say, you want to hear until I agree with you that a Christian can "have no sin".

YES, a Christian can SUBMIT to God and thus, not sin. This DOES NOT mean that the Christian has no sin, which you believe. It means that due to their submission to God, the temptations from the devil are resisted and the result is simply, the Christian DOES NOT SIN. It will NEVER mean, they HAVE NO SIN.

If I was ever to agree with you concerning having NO SIN, then I pray that my brothers/sister's in Christ would help me and show me the truth of Scripture so that I stop being deceived.

[Slug1]

Slug1 post 588,
I'll do you one better.
"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he CANNOT sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifested, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 Jo 3:8-10)
When people in Galatia and Corinth "fell away" they showed by their sin what they really were. If they later honestly repented, turned from sin, they would have been accepted as new brothers.

Let me set the context for you before you think you are doing "one better"... because you're not.

This is the context of 1 Corinthians:

v2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Does this sound like Paul is talking to a bunch of Christians who have "fallen away"? Or I'll do YOU one better... Does this sound like Paul is accusing them and cursing them as YOU WOULD DO by calling a Christian who is undiscipled and is committing a sin... NOT CHRISTIAN ANYMORE?? You also claim that ANY Christian who does ONE SINGLE SIN is NO LONGER your brother/sister in Christ. Does what Paul say sound ANYTHING like what you do to YOUR brothers/sisters in Christ?

They (the Corinthians) are a bunch of Christians (your brothers/sisters) who are in NEED of correction and discipleship. Due to their sin, they NEED correction and discipleship, NOT to be cursed and accused of being Christians "no more"!!

So my question stands until you answer it with scriptures that is in proper context (God's Truth) or you humble yourself and face God's truth and submit to the Word of God instead of a belief that has you deceived which has been revealed (the fruit) by the words you speak.

Here is the question:

#588: PJW... here is an easy question for you.

Show me in the Bible where any of the Apostles or disciples such as Philip had to have a person RE-accept Christ to have their "Christian" status again?

You have maintained that a Christian who does ONE single sin... is NOT a Christian ANYMORE.

Show me where in the Bible, all those people that the Apostles had to fix, had to RE-accept Christ so they could ONCE AGAIN be a Christian.

I await the scripture(s) that support your accusation against your fellow brothers and sister's in Christ who have done one SIN... have to RE-accept Christ for them to be considered a Christian once again, in your sight.

Here is something for you to think about also... Q: Why wasn't the Church at Corinth included with all the Churches we read about in The Revelation?

Edit: Also... let me toss this in here for our readers to show them that being "IN" Christ and having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (walking in the Spirit) doesn't WIPE sin out of the flesh. What we have through Christ is the POWER to ALWAYS resist the sin (to be alive) that is ALWAYS a part of our flesh (which is dead).

Romans 8:There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,^[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. ² For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. ³ For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, ⁴ that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. ⁵ For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. ⁶ For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. ⁷ Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. ⁸ So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.⁹ But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. ¹⁰ And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. ¹¹ But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

[Saved7]

MOD NOTE: OK. I can see this is just going in circles and so with that, I'm shutting it down.