Sinning as a Christian = sinner?

[Colight]

Colight post 346,
Real Christians don't sin. Paul was the "chief of those saved from sin". (I Tim 1:15)
Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (Jo 8:32, 34)
If you still sin,"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or he will hold to the one and despise the other." (Matt 6:24))
Jesus says that if you are a servant of sin, you hate God.
Jesus' blood was used to wash me, to sanctify me from my sins when I was baptized. That baptism is for "sins of the past". (Ro 3:25)
Your sins are not being done in "stealth mode".

Christians do sin, and while we have the body of Adam it is quite natural for us to sin.
To state we dont sin in it self can be a sin for we are lying to our self.

^{1john 1:8} If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.


Paul sinned, Peter Sinned, David Sinned.. they kept on sinning even after Salvation.

Even those who fight sin, that fight in it self can lead to sins of arrogance, Pride, self righteousness as this is what occurred to the Pharisees in Christs day. They kept some list of no-nos to avoid and yes-yeses to follow and by following that list, it made them better than every one else. Keep in mind these are the same self righteous blokes that screamed for Christ to be killed. Any thing that a proper self righteous bloke hates more is for some son of God to come along and tell them their goods deeds are rot.

Also keep in mind the proper sinners, like prostitutes and tax collectors and other such riff raff embraced Christ for they did not have their self Righteousness and arrogance produced from their moral life style to hold them back from the truth and salvation that is in Christ.

It is best to see us for what we are, dirty sinners that dont have a chance if it wasn't for Christ.

Thru Christ we are righteous, but not sinless.

[Colight]

Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, We know evil and always will till we die. When we go to heaven all our evil thoughts are gone, we will be pure and holy like we were created to be. You will never stop being evil until you die however you can be forgiven of your sins and those evil things or thoughts are forgiven, but you do not stop sinning you can try but you will sin at some point. .

Side note, God hates mans good, just as much as mans evil.

Matthew 5:48
Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

So when man thru human effort strives to be good, God rejects that. For it is not perfect..
Both good and evil shall be judged and rejected for neither are perfection.
In perfection there is no good or evil.

[DDGresham1]

Real Christians don't sin. Paul was the "chief of those saved from sin". (I Tim 1:15)

Saved from sin, not sinless.

Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (Jo 8:32, 34)

Yes, when you sin you are serving sin at that time.

If you still sin,"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or he will hold to the one and despise the other." (Matt 6:24))

Yes, and we don't continually sin. We aren't continually serving sin. We usually don't.

[PJW]

Pointy post357,
If we say we have no sin, but we still sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
John's "we" were the people from verse 6 of I Jo 1:, Those walking in darkness.
By saying you sin, you manifest that you're not walking in the light, as He is in the light. Jesus' blood has not covered your sin if you are still in darkness.
Show me from the bible where Philip sinned. Or Andrew. Or Matthew. Your writing is fiction.
The Old Testament people you cite were "in the flesh".
Jesus came to save us from sin. Not the Romans. Not the Egyptians. Not the communists. Sin. Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." Free of what? "...Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." The truth will save you from service to sin.
As you write, "it's impossible to serve two masters", (Matt 6:24), if you are serving sin you are not serving God. You are an enemy of God.

[Slug1]

Pointy post357,
If we say we have no sin, but we still sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Negative! What you just said is false and has no truth, so let's allow the Bible to speak the truth...

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

[PJW]

Gadgeteer post 358,
"The wages of sin is death." (Ro 6:23) However, "Some men's sins are opened beforehand, going before to judgement; and some other men they follow after." (I Tim 5:24)
I'm dead. Crucified and buried with Jesus Christ. (Romans 6:3-7) I've been judged for my sins and been found wanting.
There is always danger in the "walk" with Jesus. BUT, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (I Cor 10:13)
Yes. Beware of deceivers. Especially those who say there is no way to stop sinning. That's deception.

[Slug1]

Especially those who say there is no way to stop sinning. That's deception.

Negative! You just lied (= sin)...

1 John 1:⁸ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

[PJW]

Slug1 post 359,
The church is Christ's body. "For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones." (Eph 5:30)
There is no sin in Christ's body. If a "Christian" sins, he is not in that body. He is in "his" flesh. Not a spiritual man, a fleshly man.
God will forgive him IF he turns from sin, (repents). But if he sins again he will manifest that his repentance was a lie, as was their original repentance. They never were in Christ; not till their repentance is true.
You misquoted me in your Romans 7: citing. I said Paul was a Pharisee when he struggled with the flesh, not a Christian.
The weak Christians you refer to go to false churches where they can blend in with the other defiled fakers.
We will accept anyone who loves God more than their own life.

[PJW]

Ace post 360,
If you are a sinner, you are not a Christian.
You should read my previous posts.
In your "church", the only thing Jesus saved was the sacrificial oxen and sheep. Jesus came to save us from sin. (Jo 8:32,34)
I'm free.
Peter wasn't a "man in Christ", until after Jesus' death and resurrection. He hadn't received the Holy Ghost yet. God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him. (Acts 5:32)
David and Moses were men in the flesh. WE can be spiritual men, now.

[DDGresham1]

BUSTED!!! You just LIED and misquoted scripture! You have ZERO credibility with me buddy.

[PJW]

If you are walking in darkness you cannot say you have no sin. But I am walking in the light, as He walked in the light.
"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgement: because as He is, so are we IN THIS WORLD" (I Jo 4:17)

[PJW]

DDGresham, I'm not your buddy.

[Colight]

Pointy post357,
If we say we have no sin, but we still sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
John's "we" were the people from verse 6 of I Jo 1:, Those walking in darkness.

We is stating believers, for the author is including himself in we.
The author is quite clear, that the author of the book of First John sins.
Christians sin, confess them to God and move on.

So now if a author of a book of the bible sins, I think it would be acceptable to state we also sin, and should pay attention to 1 john 1:9

By saying you sin, you manifest that you're not walking in the light, as He is in the light. Jesus' blood has not covered your sin if you are still in darkness.
Show me from the bible where Philip sinned. Or Andrew. Or Matthew. Your writing is fiction.
The Old Testament people you cite were "in the flesh".
Jesus came to save us from sin. Not the Romans. Not the Egyptians. Not the communists. Sin. Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." Free of what? "...Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." The truth will save you from service to sin.
As you write, "it's impossible to serve two masters", (Matt 6:24), if you are serving sin you are not serving God. You are an enemy of God.

The author of the book of 1 John stated he sinned and those who state they dont... lacked truth. In effect when we as Christians state we have no sin, we are lying to our self.
Lying is also a sin..along with pride and arrogance that occur from feeling morally superior to others.
Then there will be the others sins of gossip, hate, envy and character assassination of those who disagree with ones sinless perception of them self.
This sin stuff can add up fast.

Best just to confess it and continue with the race.

[DDGresham1]

Quote all you want buddy but the fact is you LIED. Nothing you quote can take that back! Welcome to the club!

[DDGresham1]

DDGresham, I'm not your buddy.

That's ok. I'm required to love you, not the other way around