Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
e not worthy and a sign to point them in the right direction.
"and multiply them....." The key is to understand their is procreation of Israel in the next world.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Eze 48:29 This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 48:30 And these are the goings out of the city on the north side, four thousand and five hundred measures.
Eze 48:31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.
Eze 48:32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.
Eze 48:33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun.
Eze 48:34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali.
Eze 48:35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there.
This would be a good example, and like I already pointed out in a prev post, I would find this concept logical. But do you know of any conditional prophecies where anyone didn't meet the conditions, thus the prophecy doesn't get fulfilled? Not saying there isn't any.
In your example, it looks like they met the conditions. In the Ez 40-48 example, the idea is that they didn't meet the conditions, so this voided the prophecy. So I'm mainly looking for prophecies that would be similar to the Ez 40-48 prophecy. Also in your example we see where they met the conditions. In the Ez 40-48 prophecy we don't see whether the conditions are met or not. So most assume they weren't met. But why? Wouldn't it be because animal sacrificing in the future seems illogical, based on what Christ did?
But let's look at this another way. For the sake of argument, the prophecy in Ez 40-48 was conditional. Also for the sake of argument, the house of Israel meets those conditions. Now what? Wasn't Christ already prophesied about even before the Ezekiel visions? But if Ez 40-48 now has to come to pass because the house of Israel met the conditions, then how is the prophecies of Christ now supposed to come to pass? According to the Ezekiel prophecies, this appears to be a forever thing. Unless I missed it, I don't see any indication in the text that any of the ordinances of the house, etc, would ever be done away with, since God indicated He would stay with them forever at that point. So how was all that to work out to begin with, keeping in mind that Christ was also prophesied? Would that make the prophecies about Christ conditional then, based on whether the conditions of the prophecy in the Ez 40-48 were met first?
Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Deut 4:25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger: 26I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
Deut 8:19And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.
Isa 48:18O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea: 19Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof; his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me.
It's still hard to believe you're not premil. I thought only premils believe the visions in Ez 40-48 to be future? The Jews too of course. I would guess most of them see this as a prophecy yet to be fulfilled. But I would have thought no non premil would tho. I guess I learn something new everyday.
Not the conditions for being destroyed. They met the condition for avoiding destruction. Anyway, it's clear that a prophecy can be conditional so I don't see why it could only be conditional in one sense.In your example, it looks like they met the conditions.
Why do you need that in order to be convinced that it could be a conditional prophecy? I don't get that. I think I've done enough to show that there is such thing as a conditional prophecy so I don't know why that isn't enough for you.In the Ez 40-48 example, the idea is that they didn't meet the conditions, so this voided the prophecy. So I'm mainly looking for prophecies that would be similar to the Ez 40-48 prophecy.
It's easy to assume that the conditions weren't met because the conditions were for the exiles who lived at that time and the temple was never built for them. They are the ones who had to meet the conditions. And since the temple was never built for them that means they did not meet the conditions, or else it would have been built for them. The prophecy was directed towards the ones living at that time, not anyone living today or in the future.Also in your example we see where they met the conditions. In the Ez 40-48 prophecy we don't see whether the conditions are met or not. So most assume they weren't met. But why? Wouldn't it be because animal sacrificing in the future seems illogical, based on what Christ did?
It's too late for them to meet the conditions. They are all dead now. I don't believe the prophecy was for the house of Israel in general so that it could be fulfilled at any time in history as long as a house of Israel exists. The prophecy was for those who lived at that time. They had to be ashamed of what they had done. How can anyone today be ashamed for what people did a long time ago? I believe God wanted those exiles to repent at that time in order to build the temple for them. And since the temple wasn't built that tells me they did not repent.But let's look at this another way. For the sake of argument, the prophecy in Ez 40-48 was conditional. Also for the sake of argument, the house of Israel meets those conditions. Now what?
Well, it is in the Bible for our benefit today.
However, I am asking about Ezekiel HIMSELF and the exiles of the 70-year "time-out" configuration and so on. Notice the requirement:
Where are the scriptures that indicate "shame" (and so on) for sin by the exiles?Eze. 43
11“If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may . . .
1) observe its whole design and all its statutes and
2) do them.
Grace and peace,
I Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
I don't know. Maybe I'm just too picky about things sometimes. But I see your point tho..that prophecies can be conditional, which I never doubted to begin with. It's just that I was looking for a conditional prophecy where the conditions are never met, thus voiding the prophecy. For some reason, that seems to be a different concept than prophecies being voided when conditions are met first.
Perhaps you can address the point I was trying to make then? If the exiles met the conditions, meaning the prophecy would have to be met, then how could any of them ever be united in Christ at that point, since the idea is to do away with animal sacrificing for sins, not to continue it forever? Once the prophecy is fulfilled, I see no indication that the ordinances and laws, etc, of the house would ever be stopped someday. This is why this can't work with a thousand years in the future, followed by the new heavens and a new earth, since that would imply this temple gets destroyed or something. I don't see anywhere in those 8 chapters in Ezekiel that the temple would ever be destroyed once the prophecy is fulfilled.
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