What is the dynamic of "God's chastening"? You and I have discussed Hebrews12.
Originally Posted by Redeemed by Grace
"It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are WITHOUT discipline (of which all have become partakers), then you are illegitimate and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them; SHALL we not much rather BE in submission to the (discipline of the) Father of spirits, and live?" Heb12:7-9
"...much less shall we escape who turn away from God!" Heb12:25.
God commands all men to love Him (Matt22:37); it is the same command as in Acts17, where God determines men's places and times so that they might seek/grope and find Him, though He's not far from any of us, and He commands all men everywhere to repent.
So --- God chastens whom He loves; but, per the verses we just discussed, exactly who puts anyone under God's chastening? Does God do it, or do we subject ourselves?
SHALL we not much rather BE in submission to the (discipline of the) Father of spirits, and live?
How many ways are there to understand this simple question, Redeemed?