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    U.S. soldier kills Afghan civilians

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    Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- An American soldier left his base in Afghanistan and went from house to house in two villages, killing 16 people in their homes, a provincial official told CNN Sunday.
    NATO's International Security Assistance Force confirmed that a soldier had gone off base and fired on civilians before turning himself in, but did not say how many victims there had been.
    There has been confusion about the number of casualties since the shooting in Kandahar province, eastern Afghanistan, with different sources offering different numbers.
    Regardless of the number of victims, the incident looks likely to inflame tensions still further between foreign troops and Afghan civilians, many of whom were enraged by the burning of Qurans by American troops last month.
    American officials from President Barack Obama down called the burning an accident and apologized for it, but riots left dozens dead, including four American troops. Hundreds more were wounded.
    On Sunday, ISAF's deputy commander, Lt. Gen. Adrian Bradshaw, expressed "deep regrets and sorrow at this appalling incident."
    "One of our soldiers is reported to have killed and injured a number of civilians in villages adjacent to his base," Bradshaw said in a statement.
    Capt. Justin Brockhoff of ISAF said there had been "multiple" casualties and that the injured Afghans were being treated in ISAF facilities.
    The U.S. Embassy in Kabul said it deplored "any attack by a member of the U.S. Armed Forces against innocent civilians," and assured "the people of Afghanistan that the individual or individuals responsible for this act will be identified & brought to justice."
    A provincial council member, Ahsan Noorzai, said earlier that 18 people were killed, but did not say where his information came from.
    The Taliban claimed that 50 people had been killed, but the Islamist militia regularly exaggerates casualty figures.
    They disputed ISAF's version of events, saying several soldiers went on a raid that resulted in dozens of deaths.
    But Maj. Jason Waggoner, another ISAF spokesman, said: "The civilian casualties were not the result of any operations. The soldier was acting on his own. After the incident he returned to the compound and turned himself in."
    Brockhoff said officials do not yet have a motive for the shooting, which is under investigation by both NATO and Afghan officials.
    "This is a deeply regrettable incident and we extend our thoughts and concerns to the families involved," a statement from ISAF said.
    Civilian casualties as a result of action by the NATO-led international coalition have long caused anger in Afghanistan, adding pressure on international forces to withdraw.
    The international force has said avoiding civilian casualties is a high priority.
    "My command's mission is to protect the civilian people of Afghanistan," Gen. John R. Allen, ISAF commander, said last month. "I take very seriously the loss of every Afghan life. We will continue to do all we can to ensure the safety of the Afghan population."
    The number of ISAF-caused civilian deaths decreased by nearly 17% from 2010 to 2011, the coalition force said in its December monthly report.
    from: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/11/world/...Top+Stories%29

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    My thought is that it's time we leave. Afghani soldiers who are supposed to be on our side are turning around and ambushing/killing our soldiers... our soldiers flip out and go out killing and raping Afghani civilians... it's a mess. Bin Laden is dead, time to leave.
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    Re: U.S. soldier kills Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by the sound View Post
    Any thoughts?
    A tragedy, obviously.

    I'm inclined to agree with diffangle. It might just be time to leave.
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    "This," said Karzai,"is an assassination, an intentional killing of innocent civilians, and cannot be forgiven."

    Way to go calming your people down, dude.
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    Leave, bury our collective heads in the sand and allow the Taliban kill 100x more civilians and enlave the entire female population, the way it was before. There's more important things to focus our derision on, like Israel killing two terrorists.
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    No surprise here....teach men to kill kill kill...give them weapons and immunity and let them loose on the unsuspecting world. Why the outcry over just these 16 civilians...when so many are killed routinely with impunity?

    I don't get the hypocrisy....

    I think the crime is that he wasn't following any chain of command when he murdered innocents....if he had been told to fire a missile at a schoolyard full of kids by a higher authority we would not be hearing about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
    No surprise here....teach men to kill kill kill...give them weapons and immunity and let them loose on the unsuspecting world. Why the outcry over just these 16 civilians...when so many are killed routinely with impunity?
    Because American soldiers don't normally go around massacring civilians, duh....
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    Re: U.S. soldier kills Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Leave, bury our collective heads in the sand and allow the Taliban kill 100x more civilians and enlave the entire female population, the way it was before. There's more important things to focus our derision on, like Israel killing two terrorists.

    Are Western weapons holier than Eastern weapons? Are Western sins purer than Eastern sins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Because American soldiers don't normally go around massacring civilians, duh....


    Your naivity is showing here...you are believing your own propaganda. Human beings act the same wherever you go. They do this because they are human. What is worse than human is to consider yourself more human than others. This is the worse crime...to debase others and elevate yourself.

    Are we really holier than people in other lands? Not at all.
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    Re: U.S. soldier kills Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Leave, bury our collective heads in the sand and allow the Taliban kill 100x more civilians and enlave the entire female population, the way it was before. There's more important things to focus our derision on, like Israel killing two terrorists.
    Do you think we will ever kill every Taliban member? Is it possible that more people are joining the Taliban forces than we can kill? We've been over there killing Taliban for a decade now and yet we haven't got them all.... it's a never ending battle... at which point do we pull out?
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    Anyone else find it at all annoying that when all this news broke President Obama called the Afghan leader from his limo to express his condolences?

    We train soldiers to be killing machines. They are sent over to kill. One flips out and kills those that he's not supposed to. Our soldiers are living in terrible conditions while fighting constantly for their lives. They have families at home who do not know if they will ever see their loved ones again.

    Here's our president calling the Afghan leader from his limo to express condolences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerticalReality View Post
    Anyone else find it at all annoying that when all this news broke President Obama called the Afghan leader from his limo to express his condolences?

    We train soldiers to be killing machines. They are sent over to kill. One flips out and kills those that he's not supposed to. Our soldiers are living in terrible conditions while fighting constantly for their lives. They have families at home who do not know if they will ever see their loved ones again.

    Here's our president calling the Afghan leader from his limo to express condolences.

    And all this over a bunch of "worthless" civilians! They would probably grow up to be Taliban anyway!!!! (Spits chewing tobacco on the floor)
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    Re: U.S. soldier kills Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    A tragedy, obviously.

    I'm inclined to agree with diffangle. It might just be time to leave.
    Never! Afghanistan is crucial in our strategic assertion of power in that region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
    Are Western weapons holier than Eastern weapons? Are Western sins purer than Eastern sins?

    Hypocrisy breeds when we judge others for what we do ourselves.
    Out of context. The soldier disobeyed his duites and engaged in a criminal act. That happends here all the time.
    I have no idea what 'sins' you are talking about regarding US policy in Afghanistan.

    But hey, there are those like Pilat who can make themselves feeeeel better by simply washing their hands of the matter.
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    Re: U.S. soldier kills Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
    And all this over a bunch of "worthless" civilians! They would probably grow up to be Taliban anyway!!!! (Spits chewing tobacco on the floor)
    In the grand scheme of war atrocities, this ranks about a 1.2 on a scale of 1 to 10.

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