America~End Time Prophecy

[gracewalker]

I was watching John Hagee preach once, & he mentioned America is not in the end times prophecy, but did not mention why in the particular portion of the message I saw.
Does anyone know why America is not in the prophecy, & where they might fit in, in the end?
Please give scripture for reference.
Thank you.

[amazzin]

Because America was not yet birthed as anation. Mentioning America would already add confusion to a confusing subject.

There is a s reason why the nations mentioned in end times prophecy are mentioned. Try to accept that America's place in end times is insignificant as a nation.

[quiet dove]

Because America was not yet birthed as anation. Mentioning America would already add confusion to a confusing subject.

There is a s reason why the nations mentioned in end times prophecy are mentioned. Try to accept that America's place in end times is insignificant as a nation.

I agree...................

[tango]

Because America was not yet birthed as anation. Mentioning America would already add confusion to a confusing subject.

Certainly agree with this part, if the book of Revelation made explicit mention to "The United States of America" people reading at the time would probably assume John had lost his mind and regarded most or all of Revelation to be the rantings of a lunatic.

There is a s reason why the nations mentioned in end times prophecy are mentioned. Try to accept that America's place in end times is insignificant as a nation.

I'd say America may or may not feature in the end times in any meaningful way. I figure that it may be that America will turn out to be one of the entities described in Revelation and the significance will become clear later, it may be that America will cease to exist in its current form and be absorbed by some supranational entity which turns out to be one of the entities described in Revelation, it may be that America will be a bit-part actor or have no meaningful role in end times events at all.

OP - there seems to be a lot of assumption that America must automatically play a major role in the end times and most of it seems to come from Americans who are unable or unwilling to think that the USA's power and influence could have declined, potentially to nothing, by the time the end times come to pass.

[Ceegen]

Daniel 7:4 (KJV): The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Are these eagle's wings on the back of Great Britain's lion a fledgling United States of America? They were plucked from the lion, after all.

[markedward]

The book of Daniel has a double chiasmus.

Chapters 2 and 7 are the parallels to each other. Each one contains a symbolic vision of four kingdoms. The first kingdom is identified in chapter 2 as Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar. It's not Britain nor is it America.

[amazzin]

Daniel 7:4 (KJV): The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Are these eagle's wings on the back of Great Britain's lion a fledgling United States of America? They were plucked from the lion, after all.

The eagle, as you suggest, played prominently in both Roman and Egyptian times. It is not new symbology of post biblical times

[IMINXTC]

Is America actually a nation in the Biblical definition of nations?

It's very difficult to associate the US as the offspring (of the lions) of Britain in the Biblical sense, though many do.

[ross3421]

Daniel 7:4 (KJV): The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Are these eagle's wings on the back of Great Britain's lion a fledgling United States of America? They were plucked from the lion, after all.

Who else is like a lion and an eagle? What you are seeing above in the satanic counterfeit a lion with eagles wings like Christ. Both this beast and Christ had their wings plucked and will stand as a man with a man's heart upon the earth. Both are depicted as four beasts as well.

[ross3421]

The eagle, as you suggest, played prominently in both Roman and Egyptian times. It is not new symbology of post biblical times

Scripture says the eagle is like Christ. This lion with eagles wings and the rest of chapter is depicting Satan's kingdom which looks like God's.

[John 8:32]

America and Britain are named prominently in prophecy. We are the descendants of Manasseh and Britain is Ephraim. Now where are we in prophecy?

Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Israel's (Jacob's) name was named on Ephraim and Manasseh, not Judah. When you see Judah or Jerusalem named in prophecy, it is directed at the Jews. The Jews (Judah) are but one tribe of the 12 tribes of Israel.

So is America named in prophecy? Most prophecy is about Britain, America and Judah (we call it the State of Israel, but in actuality it is Judah).

[Gettheebhindme]

This is a nation that loves mammon.

There are many sinners who will cast out when the end days come.

Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

[Old man]

Daniel 7:4 (KJV): The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. Are these eagle's wings on the back of Great Britain's lion a fledgling United States of America? They were plucked from the lion, after all.

The lion with eagles wings could represent America as a powerful, leading, dominating, authority being very mobile and quickly able to respond anywhere she wants when she it wants with nobody able to stand in her way. With the removal of the wings so too goes the mobility and ability to respond to any threats to its authority. The change from walking as a lion to walking like a man could represent a change in ideology shifting from the idea that she was a country founded on the principals of God to one which adopts and clings to the world's systems and philosophies. No where in scripture have I seen any scripture say that anything from the heart of man was good. Pro 14:12 "There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." Mar 7:20-23 "And He was saying, 'That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.'" Jer 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is incurable; who can know it?" If this represents America it doesn't show her in a good light. It shows her changing from a powerful influential nation into a impotent power shifting from relying on God to relying on man and man's ways. Is this what she looks like today?