Innocent teen shoot and killed;police do nothing

[Reynolds357]

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I have been keeping up with it, the news this morning was that the lead investigator had desired to detain Zimmerman because he felt like his story didn't add up. I can't believe that you think a kid doing nothing more than walking down the street with a bag of Skittles deserves to be dead right now. Just because it was suspected (not proven) that an empty bag in his locker may have had pot in it (none of us here have ever smoked pot), or because he's flipping the bird (none of us here have ever flipped the bird), or because he graffitied something (which btw, some graffiti artist make big bank doing so now) doesn't mean he deserved to die for carry a bag of Skittles while walking down a sidewalk.

The kid died because he used deadly force to "defend" himself against being followed.

[Reynolds357]

How does someone keep slamming another persons head like a jackhammer with only one hand? If Trayvon supposedly went for the gun then that means that he was doing the slamming with one hand and reaching for the gun with the other hand because he didn't have a third hand to reach for the gun.

Lay on the ground and I will demonstrate it for you.

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The kid died because he used deadly force to "defend" himself against being followed.

So deadly that Zimmerman didn't feel his injuries were severe enough to seek medical treatment when it happened.

Lay on the ground and I will demonstrate it for you.

Do you think it would be similar? I weigh 112 pounds... how much do you weigh? Trayvon 140- 150 pounds (underweight for his height)... Zimmerman 250 pounds.

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Ever had your head beat in the pavement?

It must have been so bad that I wonder how on earth he had the sense to know that Trayvon grabbed his gun and Zimm still could have any sense, strength, and/or coordination to get the gun from Trayvons hand and turn it on him. Must have been so bad that I can understand why someone who had their heads bashed so badly wouldn't feel the need to seek medical attention until a day later.

[Reynolds357]

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So deadly that Zimmerman didn't feel his injuries were severe enough to seek medical treatment when it happened.


Do you think it would be similar? I weigh 112 pounds... how much do you weigh? Trayvon 140- 150 pounds (underweight for his height)... Zimmerman 250 pounds.

The injuries were not life threatening because Zimmerman had the sense to shoot him before he pounded Zimmerman's head to a pulp. You do not wait until deadly force is administered to you in a lethal dose to respond to it. You respond when jeopardy presents itsself.
I weigh 274 pounds and I had a little punk 18 year old who weighed at most 150 almost knock me down before I was able to use specialized equipment to subdue him.

[Reynolds357]

It must have been so bad that I wonder how on earth he had the sense to know that Trayvon grabbed his gun and Zimm still could have any sense, strength, and/or coordination to get the gun from Trayvons hand and turn it on him. Must have been so bad that I can understand why someone who had their heads bashed so badly wouldn't feel the need to seek medical attention until a day later.

Do you have any working knowledge of the legal justification of deadly force use?
When means and opportunity exist, you respond with deadly force as soon as jeopardy presents itsself.
Means, opportunity, and jeopardy all existed the instant Martin pounded Zimmerman's head in the pavement the first time. They again presented themselves in the instant Martin attempted to take Zimmerman's weapon. Zimmerman was justified by two entirely different sets of circumstances to use deadly force.

Zimmerman does not have to prove Martin tried to take his weapon. Zimmerman does not have to prove Martin pounded his head in the pavement. To prosecute Zimmerman, the burden to prove Martin did not do these things lies with law enforcement and the State of Florida.

[Revmitchell]

Must have been so bad that I can understand why someone who had their heads bashed so badly wouldn't feel the need to seek medical attention until a day later.

This does not make your point nor does it call into question his actions.

[aftertheflood]

The for the use of deadly force are if you feel reasonably threatened with serious physical harm or death. That will be the legal standard as well and the prosecutor will not seek an arrest and charge unless he/she thinks that they can convince a jury that there is no reasonable reason that Zimmerman should have felt that way. They may try other avenues such as neglegence approach. but if they do not feel that they can satisfy the reasonableness issue they are very unlikely to bring even manslaughter charges let alone murder.

[Fenris]

I don't know if the above statement is subjective or based on hard evidence. Do you know if "self-appointed" and "cop wannabee" is established fact that would stand the test of the courts? What do you base this statement on? The media? Come, you know the media is unreliable when it comes to characterizations.

Why are you trying to hard? This guy shot and killed someone.

That standard is applicable in all 50 states, is it not? Can you tell me which state routinely tosses someone in jail for self-defense? Because I don't want to ever be in a state that ignores the bill of rights.

We don't know that it was self defense.

So reliable witnesses and due process are not precepts in Torah?

We have no witnesses here. Someone testifying on their own behalf is not a witness.

[Fenris]

I cannot wait till ALL the evidence is made public. Zimmerman will be exonerated, Je$$ie, $harpton and all the other race hustlers will be shown to be the fools they are.

I'm not a fan of Jackson or Sharpton, but that doesn't mean that they're automatically wrong either.

[Fenris]

Video of Zimmerman after he was brought in for questioning.



Doesn't look like he was just beat up. No blood, no bruises, no bandages...

[Fenris]

Do you have any working knowledge of the legal justification of deadly force use?

Zimmerman does not deny shooting Trayvon. Now the burden lies with him to prove that it was a justified shooting.

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Video of Zimmerman after he was brought in for questioning.



Doesn't look like he was just beat up. No blood, no bruises, no bandages...

Good find. Those are some horrible gashes on the back of his head and his nose looks swollen and bruised. He really looks like he got his butt kicked.

[Reynolds357]

We don't know that it was self defense.

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Here is the kicker. The prosecution has to prove it was not self defense. It does not appear there is enough physical evidence to do that.

[Reynolds357]

Zimmerman does not deny shooting Trayvon. Now the burden lies with him to prove that it was a justified shooting.

You are absolutely wrong Fenris. For there to be a charge filed against Zimmerman by the State, the burden is on the State to prove it was not self defense.