Innocent teen shoot and killed;police do nothing

[diffangle]

You can't have that statement without it cutting both ways Diff. The same is true of Trayvon's girlfriend, the other eye witnesses, etc.

I know that, I was just making a point to those here who seem so convinced that Trayvon is guilty of being the aggressor, that there is an account that differs from Zimms account.

[Reynolds357]

I know that, I was just making a point to those here who seem so convinced that Trayvon is guilty of being the aggressor, that there is an account that differs from Zimms account.

I am not convinced of anything except that neither you nor I have the available information to determine what happened.
What I am convinced of is that based on the information that has been released, "reasonable doubt" most definitely exists in the case.

[diffangle]

Zimmerman was not "stalking." If you understood legal terms as they apply to code, you might better understand this case. You either lack understanding of legal terminology, or you intentionally misuse them as a form of propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

Stalking is a term commonly used to refer to unwanted and obsessive attention by an individual or group to another person. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation and may include following the victim in person and/or monitoring them.

According to a 2002 report by the National Center for Victims of Crime, "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people that directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking."[1]

[Reynolds357]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

Look up the legal definition of "Stalking" in Fl. Code.
That is the only definition that matters. The common definition and the legal definition of a word is almost never the same.

[Brother Mark]

I know that, I was just making a point to those here who seem so convinced that Trayvon is guilty of being the aggressor, that there is an account that differs from Zimms account.

But you've lost much credibility in this thread. You have implied (if not outright accused) some really harsh things without the facts to back it up. And that's coming from someone who thinks there should be a trial.

[diffangle]

But you've lost much credibility in this thread. You have implied (if not outright accused) some really harsh things without the facts to back it up. And that's coming from someone who thinks there should be a trial.

Yup, you're right Mark... I know I'm the only one who can be accused of implying things. I guess it's okay for you and everyone else to imply or state things as fact but I can make no mention of anything. I'll quit now. Bye.

[Brother Mark]

Yup, you're right Mark... I know I'm the only one who can be accused of implying things. I guess it's okay for you and everyone else to imply or state things as fact but I can make no mention of anything. I'll quit now. Bye.

I am talking about implying guilt. As far as I know, I haven't implied guilt to either Trayvon nor Zimmerman. I haven't called either racists or implied it. If I have, then point it out and I will retract it and apologize.

It is wrong to imply and accuse Zimmerman of being a racist. The rush to judgment in this case is wrong on both sides. We don't know the facts and if he wrongly goes to jail, it would be two tragedies instead of one. If he goes to jail and it is the right thing to do, them some small amount of justice will have been done.

I stand by what I posted earlier.

[keck553]

No. I heard that. But it doesn't make it so. That's my point.



Then you think Zimmerman is guilty too? I mean, he followed. How do you know he didn't engage first?

Bh

Zimmerman followed him. Does that make his intent obvious?



How was Trayvon to know he was a night watchman and not some hoodlum?



Not against the law, but not a moot point either. It shows a serious case of carelessness.



If he did, then yea, bad choice there too.



Because it hasn't been established that it went down that way.



Zimmerman needs to be examined for what he did. He shot an unarmed man that was minding his own business, who would have continued to mind his own business had Zimmerman left him alone, and who would still be alive had Zimmerman left him alone and who was law abiding at the time. In short, Trayvon should still be alive and had Zimmerman acted cautiously and with wisdom, he would be.

Now the facts of the case so far are fuzzy, but a jury should be checking into IMO. Once the facts are established beyond a reasonable doubt, we should know more. Just because Zimmerman says it went down one way, doesn't make it so.



Due process is called for in this case. I've only seen one person in this thread come across as not wanting due process (and I don't mean you).

You have good points. My original contention was to allow due process to take place. Unfortunately the media bias in this case has all but destroyed any chance of true justice.

[Reynolds357]

You have good points. My original contention was to allow due process to take place. Unfortunately the media bias in this case has all but destroyed any chance of true justice.

It does seem that the media today tries to manufacture news instead of reporting it.

[Reynolds357]

As I said earlier, the legal system when given time does its job. The prosecutor is supposed to announce at 6pm tonight that charges will be filed against Zimmerman. As I expected, they have stated that there is evidence that they will reveal that has been kept secret up to this point.

[keck553]

As I said earlier, the legal system when given time does its job. The prosecutor is supposed to announce at 6pm tonight that charges will be filed against Zimmerman. As I expected, they have stated that there is evidence that they will reveal that has been kept secret up to this point.

And rightly so, to preserve the integrity of evidence and witness testimony.

As it should be.

[keck553]

It does seem that the media today tries to manufacture news instead of reporting it.

The news media lost their journalistic integrity long ago.

[Brother Mark]

He's being charged with 2nd degree murder. I figured it would be manslaughter. As for journalistic integrity, the photo of Zimmerman is the mug shot and the photo of Trayvon looks to be several years old making him look younger. Perhaps I am mistaken about the photo, but he looks very young in that photo.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75047.html

[Clavicula_Nox]

He's being charged with 2nd degree murder. I figured it would be manslaughter. As for journalistic integrity, the photo of Zimmerman is the mug shot and the photo of Trayvon looks to be several years old making him look younger. Perhaps I am mistaken about the photo, but he looks very young in that photo.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75047.html

I don't know Florida code, but I am also surprised by Murder (2). It will be interesting to see the evidence unfold. I wonder, if Zimmerman goes for a plea will the evidence in the case become public?

[keck553]

I don't know Florida code, but I am also surprised by Murder (2). It will be interesting to see the evidence unfold. I wonder, if Zimmerman goes for a plea will the evidence in the case become public?

The title of this thread is false.