And the door is shut.

[jeffweeder]

Hello Jeffweeder, and all, The door is shut on any more virgins coming in, after they are sealed and become servants. There will still be other virgins that were not ready that will be a part of God’s household, and there will still be the Elect that is a part of God’s household. There will still be a multitude converted during the great tribulation.

Hello T W.
Im not about to suggest to anyone that the door to salvation remains open after Christ comes back again. Id rather tell them that they must be ready for the bridegooms appearance.
God has fixed a day when he will send his Son to make a judgment on all peoples eternal destiny.

[T W Taylor]

Hello T W.
Im not about to suggest to anyone that the door to salvation remains open after Christ comes back again. Id rather tell them that they must be ready for the bridegooms appearance.
God has fixed a day when he will send his Son to make a judgment on all peoples eternal destiny.

Hey Jeffweeder, The door to salvation does remain open. There can be many added to God’s household as ELECT, or chosen. Its just some of the virgin elect that were ready to go in and be promoted (or more like demoted because they become servants to the Elect). The door is shut because there will be no more virgin servants that will be sealed after that time, only 144,000. They become the servants of the Elect, to help them through the Great Tribulation. You are correct, they must be ready and not be on the wrong side of the door when it is shut.

A Virgin is one who has not been a part of the whore church. Committing fornication with her.

Matt 24:44 "Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Matt 24:45 "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?

Matt 24:46 "Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.

[John146]

For some reason and i dont know what it is, your missing the point of the reason those john sees are beheaded.

John is describing saints, already saints who have recieved Christ as you spoke of and are described as being beheaded for that very reason.
Then John describes another group who will not live again and calls them the rest of the dead.

If the second group is "the rest of" then that meas the first group is also in relation to the second group in some manner.
So what is the manner of relation?

The first group are described as "souls" and in short form "saints" (from the multiple descriptions we know they are Christ's)
The second group is simply described as "the rest of the dead" "who do not live agai until the thousand years are finished"

So from that information what can we conclude about group 1 and group 2 simularities?

That group one is also "dead" in some form if group 2 is "the rest of the dead"

Now group 1 "who had been" beheaded for being saints, past tense, in other words they previously from johns veiw were beheaded from the point in time John is seeing them and John in the same view says they "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years"
Group 2 is then followed in the same veiw john is having with this definition "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished."
This is 2 groups veiwed from the same time of johns vision yet one lives a thousand years and one does not until the thousand years are finished, yet John clearly defines group 2 as being the "rest of the dead" meaning group 1 is the first part of the dead John is speaking of that group 2 is "the rest of"

So if both groups at that point in time are considered dead, yet group 1 who had already been alive in Christ and were called "beheaded" for that very reason (are resurrected previously as you speak of resurrection, yet are beheaded for that reason and considered a part of the dead)
yet live now for a thousand years while their counterpart group who are the "rest of the dead" do not live until the thousad years are finished.

What is this living? if group 1 already lived in Christ and were called "beheaded" and grouped with "the dead" they cant recieve spiritual life in Christ twice so what must group 1 who had Christ, got beheaded, grouped with dead who had to wait for a thousand years to finish, lived for this thousand years while thier counterpart dead waited for a thousand years to ed...what do they live from? and what do the dead stay dead from?

Physical life.

I already addressed all of this in post #22 so if you can't understand what I was saying then I don't know what I can do about that. I don't have anything to add to what I already said about this. Again, you are assuming that it's a resurrection that takes place even after John saw them, but I disagree with that.

As for the dieing, yes they do die, it clear as in adam all die. It doesnt say all die once as you said, it simply says all die.

As far as dying once I was referring to this verse:

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

My point is that just as there were exceptions to what this verse says (such as Lazarus) there are exceptions to what 1 Cor 15:22 says as well. Those who are alive and remain until Christ's second coming will not die but rather will be changed. Only the dead need to be resurrected and those who are alive and remain will have no need to be resurrected and no need to be killed first and then resurrected. They will just be changed.

Which it follows with even so in Christ all shall be made alive. Are you going to tell me every single person from Adam to whenever are saved? We know through scripture thats not the case, not all will accept Christ and be made alive in Him, so in what manner will all be made alive in Christ?

All of the (bodily) dead in Christ will be bodily raised from the dead at His second coming. That's what it means. As for those who are alive and remain they will have no need to be resurrected since they will be, you know, alive.

The change that occurs in the twinkling of the eye is the death that will occur, the change = death, which the change occurs "in the twinkiling of an eye" twinkle your eye that how long they experience physical death, thats how fast it is, from corruption to incorruption, from mortality to immortality, its that fast, you could consider it not even dieing, but it is death and change that fast due to what God said above regarding as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. (not spiritually all must die as in Adam, but physically all must die as i Adam, even so in Christ all shall be made alive, not spiritually because we know all will not be made alive in Christ spiritually, or there would be none going to the lake of fire, but physically all shall be made alive in Christ, resurrection of the saints, resurrection of the wicked, all shall be resurrected in thier order.

Paul said nothing about those who are alive at His coming needing to die first before being changed. You are adding something to the text that isn't there.

[John146]

Then are you saying that the beast and false prophet were before John had the vision?

Of course. Look at this:

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Notice how John says the beast "was" and that the seven heads related to seven kings and/or kingdoms, five of which had already fallen. With that being the case how could anyone say the beast did not exist even before John had the vision. Notice that at the time he wrote the book he said regarding the seven heads that "one is". So, in some sense the beast was around while he was writing the book as well even though five of its heads/kingdoms/kings had already fallen.

If these beheaded and martyred because they did not take the mark or worship the beast, are actually physically dead, then it must have been before the vision.

If he was only seeing those who were dead up to that time then what you said would be correct. And the passage I quoted above shows that the beast is not just a future entity.

[John146]

Hello Jeffweeder, and all, The door is shut on any more virgins coming in, after they are sealed and become servants. There will still be other virgins that were not ready that will be a part of God’s household, and there will still be the Elect that is a part of God’s household. There will still be a multitude converted during the great tribulation.

Mat 25:10 "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

Rev 14:3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth.

Rev 14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

Rev 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The problem with what you're saying is that Matt 25:10 doesn't occur until "after the tribulation of those days". Notice that Matt 25:1-13 is about the coming of the Son of man as evidenced by the fact that Jesus says this at the end of the parable:

Matt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

So, this shows that the context of the parable is regarding His second coming. The following shows that His second coming will occur "after the tribulation of those days":

Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You have the parable somehow occurring before the tribulation rather than after the tribulation but that doesn't match the context.

[T W Taylor]

The problem with what you're saying is that Matt 25:10 doesn't occur until "after the tribulation of those days". Notice that Matt 25:1-13 is about the coming of the Son of man as evidenced by the fact that Jesus says this at the end of the parable:

Matt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

So, this shows that the context of the parable is regarding His second coming. The following shows that His second coming will occur "after the tribulation of those days":

Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You have the parable somehow occurring before the tribulation rather than after the tribulation but that doesn't match the context.

Hey John 146, There is some time between the cry that the Bridegroom is coming and the time when the Bridegroom comes.
All the Virgins trimmed their lamps, or got ready. Some found they were not ready. There is some time that the door is still open, if they hurry and get ready they could be sealed and meet the bridegroom before Christ returns and the door is shut. You are right, the door is not shut until Christ returns, but the virgins are sealed before the earth and trees are harmed.

Matt 25:6 "And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'

Mat 25:7 "Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.

Mat 25:8 "And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'

Mat 25:9 "But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'

Mat 25:10 "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

Rev 7:3 saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.

Rev 14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins.

[John 8:32]

　
Its not a pleasant thing to think about, but the door of salvation will one day be shut.
It seems very clear that at the coming and appearing of the Lord, the door will be shut.,

Matt 25
"But at midnight there was a shout, 'Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.'
7 "Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
8 "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
9 "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'
10 "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
11 "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
12 "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'
13 "Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.


Matt 7
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'


Luke 13
"Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
25 "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
26 "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
27 and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'

28 "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
29 "And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God.


　
Are we all in agreement that the door is shut when Christ comes Again for those who are ready?
　
If so, then what would be the point of a future millenial reign if the door is shut, and those who are shut out find themselves in a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth at his coming?
　
Christ comes, the court sits, verdicts are handed down and the door is shut.
　
If this scenario makes you uncomfortable, i do not apologise, for today is the day where you must be ready. In a twinkling of an eye that open door will be slammed shut.
God is patient now, not wanting anyone to perish, but all to come to repentance.....before Christ appears and closes the door.
　
　
Ps
I was compelled about an hour ago to write this, as i felt the Lord was saying to me that i could be better prepared.　

This whole concept of today being the only day of salvation discounts all who lived prior to Christ...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

And discounts the second resurrection of those who never knew Christ...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

1000 yrs after the first resurrection...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Plainly says that those in the first resurrection knew Christ and live and reign with Him for a thousand years before the rest of the dead come back to life (second resurrection).

[T W Taylor]

Hey John 8:32, I think I agree with you.

[Raybob]

...There is some time that the door is still open, if they hurry and get ready they could be sealed and meet the bridegroom before Christ returns and the door is shut. You are right, the door is not shut until Christ returns...

...

Mat 25:10 "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

These virgins have been waiting for their bridegroom. He comes but they are not ready, they go to prepare. Which one of these virgins that 'went to buy' was NOT in a hurry? I'm sure every last one of them traveled as fast as they possibly could, but the bible says they were all too late. There isn't one that made it back in time to meet their groom.