But I mean, the sense of the words. The sense of the words isn't real good in either case in which they are used. It gives me the feeling of "not good." Tohuw and bohuw - not good. Void and without form-not good. Not to mention that "void and without form" leaves you scratching your head because God created the heavens and earth and the earth was....not good. In the first place, why form the separation of heaven and earth? I think satan had something to do with that...by the way, we could use you for the word study in the other thread. I know, I know, sounds like work, but read the thread through - it's intriguing enough to make the work worth it!