Why many Muslims grow up hating Jews

[A Seeker]

Under the impression that the qu'an was quitepositive towards Christians.

[Ta-An]

True. But how many Christians are trained up believing their God condemns Jews as apes and pigs, and that He imparts glorious rewards for killing them? How many are considered "true Christians" for hating and killing Jews?

A paper was published in our country, saying that If you do not believe in evolution, you are a racist.
How does that measure up against religion.... that the Creator in whose image I was created was an "ape" and if I do not believe that, then I am a racist ,,,, that is what it boils down too...

There is a very large 'Christian movement' in our country who is anti-Semitic because they believe that the Jews killed 'their' Jesus ..... yes, I know it is pathetic ! But what I was really saying is that we can't just hang the 'hate-the-Jew' label around the Muslim's neck's....
My own blood-brother, (Senior elder in the church) when he saw me studying the Hebrew language, got so angry, because 'Hebrew' is the language of the anti-Christ

Yes, and as Dani says:

People are hateful all over everywhere.

this is very sad

[Dani H]

It's the human condition to have that urge to cut down other people's beliefs in order to defend one's own, even to the point of name-calling and even putting another person to death.

If we really believe in an all-powerful God then we should also believe that He is capable of judging properly and of making Himself known. Nowhere in the Bible are we told to defend Him. We defend the hope that's in us. God can defend Himself. If I'm that threatened by another person's belief, what does that say about the confidence I have in the truth of my own?

[A Seeker]

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t's the human condition to have that urge to cut down other people's beliefs in order to defend one's own,

No it isn't

[Ta-An]

It's the human condition....

....called SIN....

[RevLogos]

Under the impression that the qu'an was quitepositive towards Christians.

Not at all. Christians are reviled with almost as much lust as the Jews. There is a fairly subtle difference. In the Koran, both Jews and Christians are cursed by Allah. But the Jews are particularly evil, probably stemming from the Jews rejection of Muhammad (David Taylor's post#8). Muhammad had less interaction with Christians. So Christians are seen more as fools, deceived by hoaxers who wrote the New Testament. The rules regarding Christians and Jews are the same and in the end times, both are destroyed by none other than Jesus - the Muslim version of Jesus, a man who prophesied the coming of Muhammad.

[RevLogos]

A paper was published in our country, saying that If you do not believe in evolution, you are a racist.
How does that measure up against religion.... that the Creator in whose image I was created was an "ape" and if I do not believe that, then I am a racist ,,,, that is what it boils down too...

There is a very large 'Christian movement' in our country who is anti-Semitic because they believe that the Jews killed 'their' Jesus ..... yes, I know it is pathetic ! But what I was really saying is that we can't just hang the 'hate-the-Jew' label around the Muslim's neck's....
My own blood-brother, (Senior elder in the church) when he saw me studying the Hebrew language, got so angry, because 'Hebrew' is the language of the anti-Christ

Yes, and as Dani says: this is very sad

I agree there is plenty of hate to go around. There is an important difference with the Muslims. They are the only group I know of whose holy book tells them to hate Jews (and Christians), and tells them their god hates and curses them too.

This is why they can never grow out of that hate like any other group could. As long as that book exists and they believe what it says, the hate will continue.

[A Seeker]

Not at all. Christians are reviled with almost as much lust as the Jews. There is a fairly subtle difference. In the Koran, both Jews and Christians are cursed by Allah. But the Jews are particularly evil, probably stemming from the Jews rejection of Muhammad (David Taylor's post#8). Muhammad had less interaction with Christians. So Christians are seen more as fools, deceived by hoaxers who wrote the New Testament. The rules regarding Christians and Jews are the same and in the end times, both are destroyed by none other than Jesus - the Muslim version of Jesus, a man who prophesied the coming of Muhammad.

Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'rûf and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaqûn .(3:113-115)

And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. '(3:199)'

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . [Quran 2:62]

Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture : Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but God, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides God. [Quran 3:64]

It would appear then that the quran contradicts itself...

[RevLogos]

It would appear then that the quran contradicts itself...

It may appear that way. That's why it is important never to pull out isolated verses like this. Everything must be understood in context.

For example, you quote 3:113-115. Why did you start with 113? Why not start with 110?

003.110 Ye [Muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

003.111 They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; if they come out to fight you, they will show you their backs, and no help shall they get.

003.112 Shame is pitched over them (Like a tent) wherever they are found, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah and from men; they draw on themselves wrath from Allah, and pitched over them is (the tent of) destitution. This because they rejected the Signs of Allah, and slew the prophets in defiance of right; this because they rebelled and transgressed beyond bounds.

Sura 3 is one of the more benign Suras. Here we see Jews and Christians are perverted transgressors, but Muslims are "evolved for Mankind". However, the Muslims need not fear, for the Jews and Christians are also cowards: “if they come out to fight you, they will show you their backs” (v. 111). They are covered with shame – “except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah and from men” (v. 112).

This protection they refer to is the Jizya tax paid to the Muslim state, in which case they will be accorded the rights of a Dhimmi. These rights are not equal to the rights of Muslims: the dhimmis must accept subservience and second-class status (cf. 9:29) in exchange for a guarantee of protection – as long as they do not offend the Muslims.

Now to the verse you quoted. It is saying not all People of the Book are the same. They "stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God". The verses of God is the Koran! This verse is speaking only about Jews and Christians who worship Allah. How many Christians and Jews do you know worship Allah and recite the Koran? V199 is the same kind of thing. You will be rewarded if you worship Allah and recite the Koran.

It is important to understand that Islam rejects totally both the old and new testaments. There is no value in reading them. They believe the Bible was corrupted by evil Jews and Christian hoaxers but that there is an original uncorrupted version of these books somewhere (never been found) that is consistent with the Koran. In order for the People of the Book to be right with Islam, they must worship Allah and study the Koran.

[RevLogos]

It would appear then that the quran contradicts itself...

Moving on to 2:62. This verse is commonly promoted by Muslim apologists but what is it really saying?

002.062 Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

One MUST believe in Allah and the Koran. There is no other way out. The Koran likes to talk about a few People of the Book who do this, sort of a fictional ecumenical generosity. It also indirectly points out that there is only Allah, no "son of God" belief in which elsewhere is regarded as "Shirk" the worst possible of all sins. Sura 2 (and 3) is one of the few chapters that talks about Jesus. Also one must believe in the "Last Day". What happens on the Last Day? All Jews and Christians and other infidels, who will not convert to Islam, are killed by Jesus.

Now lets take a look at 3:64

003.064 Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).

Worship none but Allah means the Allah of the Koran, not of the Bible. We are exhorted to worship a pagan god. The bit about associating no partners with him is a rejection of Jesus as the son of God, and of the Trinity. If the People of the Book would just worship Allah and reject Jesus, all would be well. This is a call to accept Islam, to bow down to Allah's will.

Some years ago I was confused by what I was being told about the Koran, so I decided to read it straight through myself. It gets very repetitive so I didn't get all the way through it. But after a while you can see it paints a very consistent picture. It is in my opinion, designed to be deceptive.

A Muslim can with a straight face praise the People of the Book, and even praise the Bible. Without understanding what the Koran thinks of the Bible, it may sound generous and tolerant. Any such praise is directed toward a fictional uncorrupted version of the Bible that agrees exactly with the Koran, and directed to a fictional people of the book who praise Allah and recite the Koran.

[A Seeker]

Sounds to me a lot like the bible in that people can find / manipulate passages to suit whatever militaristic / nationalist agenda they want.

It's so hard to separate the theology from the politics...

[David Taylor]

Sounds to me a lot like the bible in that people can find / manipulate passages to suit whatever militaristic / nationalist agenda they want.

It's so hard to separate the theology from the politics...

The difference though, is that Islam is moreso a complete political, cultural system, that has a religious aspect to it.

The Bible and Christianity contrarily, focuses solely on the relationship of a person to God. It doesn't mandate a culture or political system like Islam.

There is no separation of theology and politics within Islam. There is no separation of militaristic vs pacificsm in Islam. There is no sense of individual nationalism in Islam.

[gringo300]

I'm becoming more and more confused about this whole subject.

The subject of Roman Catholic anti-Semitism, I understand a lot better.

[John 8:32]

It would appear then that the quran contradicts itself...

Well, who wrote it?

[David Taylor]

Under the impression that the qu'an was quitepositive towards Christians.

Only the earlier, Meccan Islamic part. Mohammed took a very strong turn once he moved to Medina and wrote the Medinan part of the Koran. Besides the Koran though to fully understand Islam's perception of Christianity, one must read further. One must educate themselves about what Mohammed did and what Mohammed taught. You can find the history of Mohammed's words and deeds in the Sirat and the Hadith. Together with the Koran, the three give the complete picture of Islam, and what it believes, and what every muslim according to Mohammed speaking for Allah, is taught to believe.

While there might be temporary tolerance of Christians in lands that are not completely controlled by Islam politically, the ultimate goal of Islam is the extinction of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Bhuddism, and all of the non-Islam religions and non-Shariah political systems of the world. Islam's goal according to Mohammed and Allah, is complete totalitarian subjegation of the world.