Does anyone else feel that the 6th seal has been broken and we are about to see the AC come onstage. I firmly believe we are in the last 5 months of this earth age. Any comments.
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Does anyone else feel that the 6th seal has been broken and we are about to see the AC come onstage. I firmly believe we are in the last 5 months of this earth age. Any comments.
Good bye.
Based on what? Millions of people have 'firmly believed' the exact same thing for centuries, and continually been wrong.I firmly believe we are in the last 5 months of this earth age.
The sixth seal contains common metaphoric 'decreation' language as found in the Prophets. Every time they use such decreation language, it is always in the context of God's judgment upon a nation within history, ranging between Israel, Judah, Babylon, Egypt, Edom, etc. This was always fulfilled by God directing another nation to bring its armies upon the nation which was under God's judgment.
If you feel that the sixth seal was broken recently, which nation was it that underwent God's judgment at the hands of another nation, and what evidence within the Revelation would bring you to that belief?
Coffee Break
No. I think that we are living some where between Chapter 1 and the end of Chapter 3 of the book of Revelations. I think when Chapter 4 begins we will know.Originally Posted by CaptGus
I'm gonna zip this on over the ETC folks...
Veteran
Actually I think chapters 1 through 3 are one thing and all of it regards us today. However I don't see any reason that it cannot be overlapping into chapters 4 through 7 which cover the seal judgments. In fact there are reasons why I believe that his will be the case (I could easily be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time I was wrong nor will it be the last time.)
Do I believe we have progressed to the sixth seal? No, not yet.Originally Posted by CaptGus
Does anyone else feel that the 6th seal has been broken and we are about to see the AC come onstage. I firmly believe we are in the last 5 months of this earth age. Any comments.
Not necessarily.
"Oh, but sometimes the sun stays hidden for years"
"Sometimes the sky rains night after night, When will it clear?"
"But our Hope endures the worst of conditions"
"It's more than our optimism, Let the earth quake"
"Our Hope is unchanged"
"Our Hope Endures" Natalie Grant
"Nobody knows what we're for, only what we're against, when we judge the wounded"
"Jesus, friend of sinners, open our eyes to the world at the end of our pointing fingers."
"Jesus friend of sinner" Casting Crowns
"He's wild, you know. Not like a tame lion."
C.S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe."
Good bye.
A thought for you: What do we see happen within chapters 4-5, specifically? We find the throne of God, and John weeps because no one is worthy to open a scroll... until the one, who is the Lion (king) that was slaughtered like a Lamb (sacrifice), presents himself before the throne of God, and the lordship of God and his Lamb is proclaimed when the Lamb takes his place at the right hand of God's throne. Despite the symbolism this section is steeped in, this should be instantly familiar with any Christian.
John is seeing an event that was past for him: the ascension of Jesus the Christ (the Lion of the tribe of Judah) into heaven when he presented himself as the sacrifice for sins (the slaughtered Lamb), taking his place at the right hand of God's throne. This king-sacrifice crowning of Jesus is stated over and over by the Apostles throughout the New Testament as having already occurred. If you agree with that, how might that affect your view for the rest of the book?
Just because that has occured does not mean the rest of the book has occured. The Bible is full of things written that are past present and future when they were written.
Also, we do not know that Jesus has taken and begun to open the scroll yet. We are given the symbolism to let us know who the only one worthy is, not that He has indeed already opened it.
Good bye.
I didn't say that. I said:
If you agree with that [chapters 4-5 are fulfilled in the past, and not the future], how might that affect your view for the rest of the book?
Veteran
Actually what John is seeing are "the things which must soon take place;" Rev 1:1. It doesn't matter how soon they will occur they are still in the future from his point of reference not the past. This includes the things in chapters 2 & 3 dealing specifically with the church. In chapter 4 when he sees the vision of the throne room he still sees what will happen (future) Rev 4:1 "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things." Meaning after the things concerning the church. This vision is the beginning of God's judgment upon those who dwell on the earth. You will notice that in chapters one through three where Jesus is dealing with (judging) the church that He never appears as the Lamb of God, This is because as Christians those in the church have accepted his sacrifice on their behalf as the Lamb of God. Instead he appears in His majesty (divinity) an aspect which I believe the much of the church ignores or forgets. If He is who He claims to be, how then should we live? Shouldn't we live in a way that is a reflection of who He is (not just the lamb of God but Divine)? Do we though?
In chapter 5 He is seen again this time in the image of the Lamb of God slain for the the sins of the world. It is because of this that He has the right to break the seals which begin God's judgment on the earth because they rejected Him as the Lamb of God. The reference of Him being the Lamb of God slain for the sins of the world and therefore worthy is repeated several times throughout chapter 5.
"Oh, but sometimes the sun stays hidden for years"
"Sometimes the sky rains night after night, When will it clear?"
"But our Hope endures the worst of conditions"
"It's more than our optimism, Let the earth quake"
"Our Hope is unchanged"
"Our Hope Endures" Natalie Grant
"Nobody knows what we're for, only what we're against, when we judge the wounded"
"Jesus, friend of sinners, open our eyes to the world at the end of our pointing fingers."
"Jesus friend of sinner" Casting Crowns
"He's wild, you know. Not like a tame lion."
C.S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe."
Veteran
Hello CaptGus,
I think the sixth seal has started to be opened, the first and last parts were fulfilled several years ago with the great earthquake that killed over 250,000 people and moved the earth on its axis, which moved every mountain and island out of its place. The virgin servants also started getting their seals right after that earthquake.
Rev 6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.
Rev 7:3 saying, "Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads."
Posting Freak
Howdy TW, good to see you again. A basic principle is that once a seal is opened, it stays open and just intensifies until the end. Which brings me to comment on the following...
Also, the key to these seals is found in Mat 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21...
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Religious deception - Many will come saying that Jesus is the Christ and deceive many with false doctrine and teaching.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Wars and rumors of wars and world war (nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom)
Mat 24:7 and there shall be famines,
Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Famine - food shortages. Some of which (not all, some due to drought, plant disease, and the direct result of war) can be linked to economic meltdown: a penny was the equivalent of a days wages for a laboring man at this time. So imagine working a day for just enough food to subsist on. Bread and water type diet. We have seen this in some countries and it will come here (Lev 26 and Deut 28)
Mat 24:7 and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Disease and death. What is the result of war, natural disasters etc? Typically, disease (cholera, dysentary and all manner of illness) results from the breakdown of civilation due to the aforementioned.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Religious deception and persecution including martyrdom. Anybody remember reading about the Inquisition? How about the persecution in some other countries going on today? Some has happened, history, some is yet to come, prophecy. What is yet to come will be much more severe and cause many to lose faith.
Then comes an enigmatic sign that many have pondered over through the ages, it will be the sign for the church to flee into a place of safety (Rev 12:13-14) for 3-1/2 years. The AoD. This will signify the beginning of the tribulation for 3-1/2 years, then comes the sixth seal, the heavenly signs...
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Then comes the seventh seal - the trumpet plagues culminating in the return of Christ.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This is 1Cor 15:23 and 1 Ths 4:16-17
This is a highly abbreviated description of the seven seals. There is much detail to fill in but it would take a book to do that.
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