Where all of Jesus commands for all the people, all the time, throughout the ages?

[Arrow]

For which one do you vote?

Which ones do you believe we should leave out?

Why were some of His commands different to the Old Covenant?

Is the Old Covenant better than the New?

Just a few interesting points of discussion.

[Zack702]

"Why were some of His commands different to the Old Covenant?"

Can you give a example ?

[Boo]

I know that there are those who dissect and parse scripture and make complicated roadmaps of the verses, but I cannot see my way to do that. Jesus preached to many in the land of the Israel, but some of those who followed him to the mountains and to Gallilee were not the children of Abraham. Jesus confirmed the laws of God in the Sermon on the Mount, but also explained them to be more than once understood. They are for everyone. Jesus greatest commandments and his commission were for everyone.

Your question can lead to a lengthy discussion because of Jesus' use of Saul/Paul to establish His church among the gentiles. Paul had a lot more to teach, explain, and say to those in the growing church of Jesus. Paul even gave some instructions that didn't necessarily fit the teaching of Jesus - especially about the subject of divorce. While we can still see the teaching of Jesus as the direct desires of God, we see that Paul was allowed to adapt to problems as they arose. I have to believe that it was all within the will of God even though it can be a bit confusing.

So, Yes, everything that Jesus taught was for all - to be given to all - and until Christ Jesus comes again.

[Arrow]

"Why were some of His commands different to the Old Covenant?"

Can you give a example ?

I see some examples are given, is this sufficient for now?

[tea]

Why were some of His commands different to the Old Covenant?
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Leviticus 24:20
fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so he is to be injured.

Matt 5:38 'You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.'

Are there any others besides this one?

[Brother Mark]

I didn't vote in the poll. I see some of Jesus teachings as being for authority, (i.e. those in government), while some being to believers in general. A blanket statement like the poll is asking for is difficult to fit in all situations with Jesus statements.

Also, I think there's a difference between the "law of God" and the "law of Moses". But perhaps, that's another thread.

[tea]

A blanket statement like the poll is asking for is difficult to fit in all situations with Jesus statements.

2]Are Jesus' commands only for some for sometimes,
OR
3]for some situations and not others?

Please explain as close to the situation as possible.

[Noeb]

2]Are Jesus' commands only for some for sometimes,
OR
3]for some situations and not others?

Please explain as close to the situation as possible.

Based on this

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Would you expect the unregenerate to fulfill the righteousness in the law?

[tea]

Would you expect the unregenerate to fulfill the righteousness in the law?

No. I think the unregenerate need to speak for themselves, but seems like you and I agree?

[Noeb]

No. I think the unregenerate need to speak for themselves, but seems like you and I agree?

I agree 100% with what Brother Mark said in post #26. Do you?

I posted what I did because the poll says "all the people", the unregenerate are part of "all the people" (unless Arrow meant otherwise and didn't clarify), and the unregenerate cannot be expected to do Jesus' commands. So the answer to that part of the poll is no. The unregenerate cannot do the righteousness that is in the law to the level and consistency a Christian can so it is not for them.

[awestruckchild]

I have just read this thread through.
I have a question.
When it says that we have been freed from the law of sin and death, what IS " the law of sin and death?
Isn;t it: whatever soul sins will die?

And HOW have we been freed from: whatever soul sins will die?
By being pardoned.

I don't understand how we get from there to: we are free from the law.
It only says we are free from "the law of sin and death."

[Noeb]

I have just read this thread through.
I have a question.
When it says that we have been freed from the law of sin and death, what IS " the law of sin and death?
Isn;t it: whatever soul sins will die?

Hi again awestruckchild. It is defined a few verses earlier.

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

I don't understand how we get from there to: we are free from the law.
It only says we are free from "the law of sin and death."

Right. It never says free from the law and Romans 7 does not say the law died, as some think. Scripture says not under the law, but never says free from the law. It does say free from a law though. The law of sin in our members.

Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

The husband and members are the old man that was crucified with Christ. Since our old man is dead we are free from the law of sin that leads to death.

It also says "died to the law"

Rom 7:4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

The law is no longer death to us if we walk after the Spirit and do not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Is that the same as free from? Some argue that, but if it were true you could continue in sin and not die.

Not under the law means we are not under the old, we are under the new, which delivers us from the law in our members, allowing us to fulfill the righteousness in the law.

That's how I see it.

[episkopos]

I have just read this thread through.
I have a question.
When it says that we have been freed from the law of sin and death, what IS " the law of sin and death?
Isn;t it: whatever soul sins will die?

And HOW have we been freed from: whatever soul sins will die?
By being pardoned.

I don't understand how we get from there to: we are free from the law.
It only says we are free from "the law of sin and death."

When we walk in the Spirit...we don't sin. The law remains as a gauge to show us whether we are actually walking in the Spirit or not.

[Arrow]

Jesus didn't do away with eye for an eye.

I agree 100% with what Brother Mark said in post #26. Do you?

I posted what I did because the poll says "all the people", the unregenerate are part of "all the people" (unless Arrow meant otherwise and didn't clarify), and the unregenerate cannot be expected to do Jesus' commands. So the answer to that part of the poll is no. The unregenerate cannot do the righteousness that is in the law to the level and consistency a Christian can so it is not for them.

I will answer here for myself to clarify, and I would have changed it by editing the OP but I am not allowed.

In a sense, Jesus will judge the Christians by His word.

All the people actually means all the Christians, and I know I should have made it clearer in the OP.Does this change your answer?

Do you agree with Mark, that;' Jesus didn't do away with eye for an eye.'? I disagree, I believe He did away with this specific law.

[Noeb]

I will answer here for myself to clarify, and I would have changed it by editing the OP but I am not allowed.

In a sense, Jesus will judge the Christians by His word.

All the people actually means all the Christians, and I know I should have made it clearer in the OP.Does this change your answer?

Yes.

Do you agree with Mark, that;' Jesus didn't do away with eye for an eye.'? I disagree, I believe He did away with this specific law.

Yes, I agree Jesus didn't do away with eye for an eye, for the same reasons Mark said.