Discussion of Hebrew Language (New thread from Hebrew Pictographs in Bible Study)

[Yaaqov ben Yisrael]

All this assumes, of course that man is in control of the language. Car is not a biblical word...it is a modern word chosen by man. If God can control micro-organisms and a day can be lived in for a year or more....time being inconsequential to God....then why not the hiding of meanings within words? Why not be more efficient in the use of the very element that frames the universe?

God does not use word plays ALL THE TIME..but they are there. God does not build up words from pictures ALL THE TIME...but there are many that are built this way. Only men in their futile ways are looking for a rigid formula. This may be coming from the idea that a cracker jacks box ALWAYS has a prize in it. But in nature, does every oyster have a pearl???

We have to stop judging God from a consumer perspective. Dr. Pepper may know something about soft drinks...but he is no surgeon. So it is with man's reasonings when it comes to the way God chooses to relay His message to men.

I am not Judging God! Nor do I have a rigid understanding on puns or word play in the Hebrew Text, nor in any language for that matter. I admit, there are lots of word play in the Hebrew Text, non of which involve the methods of this modern pseudo-science. This is my pet peeve. As you admit, and readily, that this method does not work for every word, nor for all cases; which means it is left to the reader, and now the new age interpretor, to supply which words are puns, and full of hidden meaning. This is a misleading interpretive method, and is very deceptive, as it is based upon a lie to begin with, Hebrew NEVER worked in this method, nor was it ever written in this way.

Ya'aqov ben Yisrael

[Ceegen]

I am not Judging God! Nor do I have a rigid understanding on puns or word play in the Hebrew Text, nor in any language for that matter. I admit, there are lots of word play in the Hebrew Text, non of which involve the methods of this modern pseudo-science. This is my pet peeve. As you admit, and readily, that this method does not work for every word, nor for all cases; which means it is left to the reader, and now the new age interpretor, to supply which words are puns, and full of hidden meaning. This is a misleading interpretive method, and is very deceptive, as it is based upon a lie to begin with, Hebrew NEVER worked in this method, nor was it ever written in this way.

Ya'aqov ben Yisrael

Okay, BUT, and now bear with me, let's do this from a secular standard for just a moment.

Let us assume then, that the Hebrew language "evolved" from other languages by associations with concepts, ideas, persons, places, things, etc.. Right? So by this method, Hebrew is nothing more than just another language. At first glance, this seems reasonable.

But, if we do indeed believe God is real, and is in control of things, then let us assume (and I take that very lightly, since we are still trying to see this from a different perspective) that God CHOSE Hebrew to be "His" language for the message He wanted to send US.

Fast forward to Greek now. Hebrew and Greek are very similar in nature, and express ideas in much the same way. Would it not be possible, for God to choose Greek as the language for His next message to us?

And what about today? Is God restricted by our language? Can't He reach down and show us His wonderful love and care, regardless of our speech? Is anything beyond God?

Sincerely think upon these things, lest we forget who we serve!

[Yaaqov ben Yisrael]

Hebrew as a language developed in the times of the early Israelite Kings. Prior to this it was just another Canaanite dialect. God spoke to the Hebrews, as it is evidenced in the Hebrew Text, in Aramaic and Hebrew. He spoke to the Egyptians in Egyptian, to other peoples in their tongues. He needs no one specific language.

However, today we have either Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek as original languages of the Bible. This being the case, we can only understand the Bible in relation to these languages. We must utilize the Grammars of these languages when making exegesis or interpretations. None of these languages worked in the way of pictographic alphabets which is being promoted by some. If the Bible were is Swahili, it would make no difference. Even if the Bible were written in Hieroglhyphs, still it would not work in a pictographic nature, even though all can see the picture alphabet of the Egyptians.

I am merely trying to help others understand how the Biblical languages really worked as opposed to the psuedo s Hebreew of some ignorant educators.

Yaaqov

[justin]

My intention was merely to point out a very dangerous, and cultic form of exegesis, by which many are becoming misled, and are themselves forming interpretations by similar methods which were never meant by the Author, nor the context of the Text itself.

Ya'aqov ben Yisrael

Yaaqov ben Yisrael,

I've been beating my head against the wall ( I don't know how to make the brick wall face) for a long time struggling with where hebrew started, which lettters are correct, which bible translation, pictograps, etc... I don't have words to explain how your initial post has affected me. Outstanding work!

[Yaaqov ben Yisrael]

Hello Justin,

It has been quite a while since I have posted. I have been very busy; sometimes life gets in the way. I am pleased that you found my posts informative. It really saddens me to know many people are being misled in Biblical interpretation via these pseudo-Hebraists. Many of them have ulterior motives. Most claim some inner meaning of certain passages which prove some point that exists only in their minds. It has been my project for the last five years or so to bring a correct understanding of the Biblical Text into the consciousness of new Bible students. I have no problem with anyone's belief in whatever it is they wish to believe, I only desire it to be based upon reality, Text, and study.

I am finishing my exams at school and after that I am heading out of the country. I will be in Europe for a few months and then in Jerusalem in July. I will return to the States July 31st. I only mention this because I may not be able to reply quickly to further posts until I return.

Shalom to Everyone,
Yaaqov ben Yisrael

[The Mighty Sword]

Shalom Yaaqov

Y'varech echa Adonai v'yish m'recha.