Doesn't Luke 17 place the AOD around the time of the 2nd coming?

[billy-brown 2]

You are absolutely correct that Daniel did not write about 70AD, he wrote about the same end of the age that Jesus spoke of (well yeaah, since Christ inspired the words he wrote) in Mat 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 that by description cannot have happened yet.

John,

I feel that you are missing what I am saying . . . =)

Just look at this verse again:

Dan. 9
26“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Do you see it . . . ?

[John 8:32]

John,

I feel that you are missing what I am saying . . . =)

Just look at this verse again:

Dan. 9
26“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Do you see it . . . ?

Nope.

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[billy-brown 2]

You are absolutely correct that Daniel did not write about 70AD, he wrote about the same end of the age that Jesus spoke of (well yeaah, since Christ inspired the words he wrote) in Mat 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 that by description cannot have happened yet.

John,

Daniel did not write about 70AD.

(Yes, you read that correctly.)

In fact, it was Gabriel who was talking; and Gabriel was talking about seventy weeks and so on. Indeed, this is what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 24:15-21; look closely at the prophesy below:

Dan. 9
24“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
25“So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.
26“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
27“And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

John,

I feel that you are missing what I am saying . . . =)

Just look at this verse again:

Dan. 9
26“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Do you see it . . . ?

Nope.

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John,

The critical redemptive event of all time--the death of the Messiah Jesus--is discussed in this verse below (among other things):

Dan. 9
26“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

And notice when it is to happen: after week sixty-two. And of course, the death of Messiah Jesus brought in everlasting righteousness per this verse below:

Dan. 9
24“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

Of course, this means that Christ died for your sins and mine within the seventy weeks of time decreed by Daniel. This means also that the determination of desolation occurred within the same time frame--and it was the Messiah Jesus Himself who made the determination:

Matt. 23
34“Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,
35so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36“Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
39“For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!’”

And so, when Jesus mentions the AOD in Matt. 24:15 below:

Matt. 24
15 “Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
17 “Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.
18 “Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak.
19 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
20 “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.
21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.

he was referring directly to the prophesy of the seventy weeks and the events therein--thus, the seventy weeks of the prophesy have come and gone already.

Yes?