Doesn't Luke 17 place the AOD around the time of the 2nd coming?

[divaD]

Before we go to Luke 17, let's check out some parallel accounts first.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Let's skip ahead in Matt 24, mainly trying to establish some kind of chronology to compare to the Luke 17 account.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Skipping ahead some more.

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

What I'm trying to bring out here is this, notice where this account places verse 37-39, and what it's in regards to. It's in regards to the day and hour no man knoweth.

Now let's go over to the Mark account next.

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Let's skip ahead a bit.

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.


From these two accounts, what can be determined so far? The Son of man in heaven comes immediately after the trib of those days.IOW...then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, which means this, according to Mark...then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. So how should we understand immediately then? The reason I ask that, if the AOD occured in 70 AD, and that's meaning the trib of those days, then what has been immediate about Christ's return, in relation to 70 AD?


Let's do the next part in a new post. Don't want to get too long winded here, tho I suspect it may already be too late at this point, since this first post seems kind of long already.

[divaD]

CONTINUED FROM FIRST POST.

Let's now go to the Luke 17 account.


Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.


Let's stop here for a moment. Let's look at this part...The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.

Where can we find that in the parallel accounts?

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

What's interesting about these passages is this. Jesus starts off talking about these false prophets before He talks about the AOD, And after He finishes talking about the AOD, He once again talks about false prophets. This is starting to paint a picture in my mind that the AOD is related to false prophets, deception. and great signs and wonders, which BTW can be found in greater detail in 2 Thess 2 and Rev 13, to name a few.

Let's go here next.

Luke 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Where can we find any of this in the parallel accounts?

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Here's what's really interesting about Luke 17.

Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.


Where can we find that in the parallel accounts?

Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Mark 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.


Notice where these two accounts place Luke 17:31. During the time of the AOD. Also keep in mind where Matthew 24:36-39 places Luke 17:26-27. During the time leading up to the 2nd coming.

I'm not certain if I presented this well enough, afterall, these are solely my own thoughts and conclusions, but I feel Luke 17, in conjunction with the parallel accounts, easily proves the AOD is future, and not meaning in the first century or something.

[quiet dove]

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What's interesting about these passages is this. Jesus starts off talking about these false prophets before He talks about the AOD, And after He finishes talking about the AOD, He once again talks about false prophets. This is starting to paint a picture in my mind that the AOD is related to false prophets, deception. and great signs and wonders, which BTW can be found in greater detail in 2 Thess 2 and Rev 13, to name a few.

Exactly....imho

[John 8:32]

This is a very interesting subject. I enjoy discussions about this. Anyhoo, the AoD is the warning sign that the Tribulation is about to begin. The Tribulation lasts for 3-1/2 years. The AoD is actually one sign in two parts...

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

The desolation is near, but the sign that the Tribulation is to begin is the setting up of an abominable thing in God's sight that makes an area desolate of His presence. Some have speculated that the AoD is set up in the church, the spiritual temple. I don't think this can be for this simple fact...

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Now either Christ is with us or He is not. He says He will be with us always, even unto the end of the age (world here is translated from aion which means age). So the AoD cannot be set up in the church.

Now, the surrounding of Jerusalem with armies shows us that the tribulation is near and the AoD is about to be set up. Now the actual setting up of the AoD happens the day before the tribulation begins...

Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

If you are in Judea on that day (I'll make a surmising on that later) don't even go down off the roof into your house to grab your suitcase, flee for your lives and while you are at it, remember Lot's wife ( another interesting line to pursue, why would you remember Lot's wife?). On that day, don't even go into your house to get your suitcase or your toothbrush, run for your life.

[John 8:32]

Why would one be in Judea at that time? Let's look at one possibility...

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Some conjecture that these are angels or Moses and Elijah or someother spirit being. Can't be, bear with me and we will prove that is not so.

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

They will be such a thorn in the side of the Beast and False Prophet that when they are killed, as shown in the following verses, people give gifts one to another (Rev 11:9-10).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

I don't think the Beast will be able to kill angels, spirit beings or any thing that is super-human.

So if the two witnesses are truly men, perhaps God will use the church to help set up their work in Jerusalem. There are some times mentioned in Dan 12 that could indicate this. 1335, 1290 and then there is the 1260 days that they prophesy. Maybe the armies surround Jerusalem on 1335 days before Christ's return, maybe on 1290 days. This would show the tribulation to be near. Whatever, at 1260 days it is time for the church to accomplish that which is given to it in Rev 12:14

Disclaimer: This is not cast in concrete and I am not saying this is absolute, but obviously I think it is how it will occur.

[John 8:32]

Why would we want to remember Lot's wife? Let's look at that for a bit...

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

As it was in the day of Noah...

Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

As it was in the day of Lot...

Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Both lived before a catastrophic time on the earth. What was the ark for Noah and his family? It was a place of safety. Lot was told to flee into the mountains, and he cajoled God into allowing him to flee to Zoar. Zoar was his place of safety...

Gen 19:22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

Now back to Luke 17...

Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

There are those who try to apply this to the return of Christ. Let me ask you something, if Christ were returning today would you run into your house and grab your "stuff" and say here I am Lord? Would you need your suitcase, jacket and toothbrush? No, you would only need those items if you, as a human being, were making a trip to another location such as the ark, or zoar, or -----. And at the time of the resurrection, why would you need to remember Lot's wife? You would not. What did Lot's wife do?

Gen 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

She looked back, longingly for her city. For her society, for where she lived. God warns us that at a time when we must flee for our very lives, don't look back, don't desire to go back, don't turn back, flee to a place of safety. For conditions at that time will be like the days of Noah, and the days of Lot.

Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

The day the AoD is set up, it may look like any other day, society may not have changed all that much, it may not look like a time is coming that has never been before or never will be. God warns us when we see the AoD standing in the holy place, get out of Dodge and don't look back. Remember Lot's wife.

Same disclaimer as above except the added clause that you may or may not believe this at your own discretion.

[billy-brown 2]

This is a very interesting subject. I enjoy discussions about this. Anyhoo, the AoD is the warning sign that the Tribulation is about to begin. The Tribulation lasts for 3-1/2 years. The AoD is actually one sign in two parts...

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

The desolation is near, but the sign that the Tribulation is to begin is the setting up of an abominable thing in God's sight that makes an area desolate of His presence. Some have speculated that the AoD is set up in the church, the spiritual temple. I don't think this can be for this simple fact...

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Now either Christ is with us or He is not. He says He will be with us always, even unto the end of the age (world here is translated from aion which means age). So the AoD cannot be set up in the church.

Now, the surrounding of Jerusalem with armies shows us that the tribulation is near and the AoD is about to be set up. Now the actual setting up of the AoD happens the day before the tribulation begins...

Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

If you are in Judea on that day (I'll make a surmising on that later) don't even go down off the roof into your house to grab your suitcase, flee for your lives and while you are at it, remember Lot's wife ( another interesting line to pursue, why would you remember Lot's wife?). On that day, don't even go into your house to get your suitcase or your toothbrush, run for your life.

Let's look a bit more closely at this verse below:

Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Yep.

The people that saw that have to be in this verse also (in bold):

Luke 21
5And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said,
6“As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.”

Why?

Because that's who Jesus was speaking to.

Yes?

[divaD]

Let's look a bit more closely at this verse below:


Yep.

The people that saw that have to be in this verse also (in bold):



Why?

Because that's who Jesus was speaking to.

Yes?

BB2, your overall conclusions leave a whole lot of folks out. You conclude that it has to mean those Jesus was speaking to at the time, that they are the 'ye'. So then, are we to conclude that only a handful are to flee once they see Jerusalem compassed with armies?

[warfrog]

BB2, your overall conclusions leave a whole lot of folks out. You conclude that it has to mean those Jesus was speaking to at the time, that they are the 'ye'. So then, are we to conclude that only a handful are to flee once they see Jerusalem compassed with armies?

Exactly, what if the "ye" Jesus was talking to wasnt just His apostles, but encompassed towards all of His who have understanding. He is the Head, we are the Body, together through His preisthood we are all encompassed as one church.

I see it that way Diva, the abomination of desolation is a lie, that makes everyone believe (who are no written in the Lambs book of life) in the lie and the lie comes from the dragon, acted out by the beast of the sea and supported by the false prophet who has power in the beast's presence, which recieves his from the dragon.

The lie is the exaltation of the man of sin above God in the hearts of men, sitting in the temple of God where he ought not, exalting himself above all that is Holy, claiming himself as God and being accepted as such by the people of the world who will take his mark and worship his image.

At that time the dragon shall send a flood after those who will flee Judea, commanded by the beast of the sea who has been accepted and will rule over all people, but the earth shall swallow up the army and put a stop to thier chase, those who heed the warning of Yeshua and escaped will be nurtured in the wild.

The dragon will then turn to the rest of His throughout the world and the war againts the saints shall commence and many shall fall, even so many shall lead and be strong in that time and some shall fall for the sake of others recieving even until the end when the brightness of the Lord is revealed and the tares are gathered and prepared for their burning and all the wheat is gathered into the barn.

So I agree, the AoD is absolutely a strong delusion, a lie, the workings of Satan, the fullness of false. One who stands in the place of God, exalting himself above God, in God's own temple, the hearts of men.

[billy-brown 2]

BB2, your overall conclusions leave a whole lot of folks out. You conclude that it has to mean those Jesus was speaking to at the time, that they are the 'ye'. So then, are we to conclude that only a handful are to flee once they see Jerusalem compassed with armies?

Well, if Jerusalem is to be compassed with armies per these verses:

Luke 21

20“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

21“Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;

22because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.

then the only people who can obey these words of Jesus are those who live in the Judea of those days . . . and that's not a handful of people . . .

And of course, that would include these people also (in bold):

Luke 21
5And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said,
6“As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.”

[billy-brown 2]

Exactly, what if the "ye" Jesus was talking to wasnt just His apostles, but encompassed towards all of His who have understanding. He is the Head, we are the Body, together through His preisthood we are all encompassed as one church.

I see it that way Diva, the abomination of desolation is a lie, that makes everyone believe (who are no written in the Lambs book of life) in the lie and the lie comes from the dragon, acted out by the beast of the sea and supported by the false prophet who has power in the beast's presence, which recieves his from the dragon.

The lie is the exaltation of the man of sin above God in the hearts of men, sitting in the temple of God where he ought not, exalting himself above all that is Holy, claiming himself as God and being accepted as such by the people of the world who will take his mark and worship his image.

At that time the dragon shall send a flood after those who will flee Judea, commanded by the beast of the sea who has been accepted and will rule over all people, but the earth shall swallow up the army and put a stop to thier chase, those who heed the warning of Yeshua and escaped will be nurtured in the wild.

The dragon will then turn to the rest of His throughout the world and the war againts the saints shall commence and many shall fall, even so many shall lead and be strong in that time and some shall fall for the sake of others recieving even until the end when the brightness of the Lord is revealed and the tares are gathered and prepared for their burning and all the wheat is gathered into the barn.

So I agree, the AoD is absolutely a strong delusion, a lie, the workings of Satan, the fullness of false. One who stands in the place of God, exalting himself above God, in God's own temple, the hearts of men.

But look at these verses:

Luke 21
5And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said,
6“As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.”

Yep.

The "ye" (or "you") in Luke 21:6 were looking at the temple of those days, and that facility cannot be looked at by anyone in our day or from our future from now--because it has been destroyed already as part of the "desolation" of Jerusalem (by the armies of those days) . . .

[Ceegen]

Isn't it odd that from 2012 we have two 7-year periods before a 3 1/2 year period before it has been nearly/exactly 2000 years since Jesus' death?

[warfrog]

But look at these verses:


Yep.

The "ye" (or "you") in Luke 21:6 were looking at the temple of those days, and that facility cannot be looked at by anyone in our day or from our future from now--because it has been destroyed already as part of the "desolation" of Jerusalem (by the armies of those days) . . .

Billy, simple history would tell you that He wasnt talking to just that handful of people in luke 21 or He lied. Pick which one.
If this was an event of 70 A.D then what happened in 70 A.D would fit the prophesy.

Why does what He says in luke 5-6 have to fit in with what He says in 21 ext? in one He talks specifically about the temples desolation in 21 He specifically says Judea and the city.

Judea and the city were not desolated in 70 A.D, again this is a past event, simply look to see if it matches.

Now scripture confirms scripture, Revelation speaks specifically about this event when Satan is cast from heaven, look at what happens in that prophecy for that specific time in which they are to flee Judea into the wilderness, did that go down as He says it will in 70 A.D? No, those with understanding didnt flee Judea and a flood ddnt go after them and get swallowed up by the earth, they werent nurtured for 3+years in the wilderness following it and the Romans didnt go to war againts the saints throughout the world and overcome them. Some Jews fled and they commited mass suicide in 70 A.D.

So since this event actually happened in our history we can simply look to the events to see the prophecy or not. The prophecy clearly doesnt fit with the events you claim are the prophecy in our history.

[billy-brown 2]

Billy, simple history would tell you that He wasnt talking to just that handful of people in luke 21 or He lied. Pick which one.
If this was an event of 70 A.D then what happened in 70 A.D would fit the prophesy.

Why does what He says in luke 5-6 have to fit in with what He says in 21 ext? in one He talks specifically about the temples desolation in 21 He specifically says Judea and the city.

Judea and the city were not desolated in 70 A.D, again this is a past event, simply look to see if it matches.

LOL!

Well, Jesus was talking to more people than was looking at the temple that day; however, only the people in Judea of that time could obey what He was saying below:

Luke 21
20“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
21“Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;
22because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.

Why?

Well, because the "desolation" of Jerusalem included the "desolation" of the temple of those days that the individuals below were looking at:

Luke 21
5And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said,
6“As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.”

Does this make sense? Just look at one of the parallel accounts on this for confirmation:

Mark 13
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

(go to the next post . . .)

[divaD]

LOL!

Well, Jesus was talking to more people than was looking at the temple that day; however, only the people in Judea of that time could obey what He was saying below:



Why?

Well, because the "desolation" of Jerusalem included the "desolation" of the temple of those days that the individuals below were looking at:



Does this make sense? Just look at one of the parallel accounts on this for confirmation:



(go to the next post . . .)

What do you make of the following passage?

Matthew 24:.37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Do you then conclude this was meaning 70 AD? The reason I ask is because of the following.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.


Let's look at that in context.

Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back

Verse 31 begins with...In that day. That has to be referring back to verse 30. Verse 30 has to be referring back to Luke 17:26-27.

Also in verse 31 we see this...he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Now we need a parallel accountto compare that with.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.


IMO it seems ludicrous to conclude Luke 17:31 is not the same event as Matthew 24:17-18. Notice where Matthew 24 places this time...When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.

Are you with me so far? Let's see if you are. What overall conclusions would you come to, based on what I presented here? I mean besides I don't know what I'm talking about. That doesn't count. We'll just keep that part a secret. No one else needs to know but you and I.