I would be lying if I said I didn't fall into the trap myself but I've learned since then.
I would be lying if I said I didn't fall into the trap myself but I've learned since then.
I've tried the 1 John 4:1-2 test but I agree with my bible teacher that I probably did more harm by talking to them than anything.
They've done sinful things to my body that no angel would do so I already knew what I was "dealing" with.
This is for Cindy,
My bible teacher is student of biblical symbolism and prophecy and he basically said the devil doesn't know the future. Yes, he knows his fate and he probably knows vague events of the future that God tells him but he doesn't know the future. He's also probably aware of the world events by what his demons tell him but he is NOT omniscient. When a horoscope does prove to be right its probably a coincidence or a test by God for that person.
Too many times they've tried to tell me exactly how I was going to die and I don't care. Thats God's appointment with me.
True Prophecy / False Prophecy
The receiving of a prophecy is by nature a supernatural experience. But a supernatural experience in itself does not mean it is of God. The Buddhists have their prophets who receive prophecies that encourage the path to the Buddhist enlightenment. The Hindus have their prophets that provide the encouragement for the development of ones Karma and soul. The Muslims have their prophets that encourage the Jehad and demolition of the infidels. The witches and wiccans have their prophets that provide access to their spirit guides. The pagans have their high priests and prophets that commune and pass on instructions from their respective god pantheons. Be it Zeus or Jupiter or Thor etc. Then you just have the spirit mediums and fortunetellers that do the same thing with familiar spirits that pose as departed loved ones or whatever.
However when it comes to Christianity or Judaism things get a little more complicated. The demonic entities are no longer acting in defence and encouragement of a particular worldly faith but are in an attack stance so as to corrupt and subvert a covenant faith in such a way as to produce an alternative to the true that can be used to deceive the saints and draw them into an alternative faith that looks like the biblically inspired covenant faith but is promoting a different God and a different Jesus. Yes it uses all the right terminology and is steeped in hyper religiosity but does not lead into a real salvation or a real reconciliation with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The writers of the New Testament had already come into contact with this deception and they gave a name to it, The Spirit of the Antichrist.
Basically the same deceiving demons that had come against the Old Covenant and corrupted Judaism and had gained control over the pharisees, where now starting to do the same thing with the way or the early church comprising Christianity of the New Covenant. Just as the priest of the second temple had been so corrupted in their understanding and practices, to the point where Jesus referred to them as complete hypocrites, so the demons were trying to do the same thing with the early church and corrupt their doctrine as well.1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.
Well this of course raises the question of what is the difference between the true prophecy and the false prophecy if both are supernatural in origin. Well the answer lies in who it is that is giving the prophetic word. From the Christian perspective the True prophecy comes from the kingdom of God and the false comes from the kingdom of Satan. Demons are quite happy to be very religious and are in fact the deities behind all the worlds Pagan and other alternative religions. But there remains only one real God and that is the one that established the covenant faiths as found in the scriptures as in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He has sent his only Begotten Son Jesus to redeem us at Calvary and set him up as the King over all of the creation.Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
Luk 11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luk 11:43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
So the next question is just how do we establish that the prophecies we are receiving are actually coming from the Kingdom of God and not an alternative source. The writers of the New Testament faced this question as well and left us instructions on how to do this. The first is to test the spirit that is giving the prophecy directly as in when the spirit starts to deliver the prophecy and the other is to judge the fruits produced or intended to be produced by that prophecy as compared to the scriptures themselves. Are they in line with the Great Commission given to the Saints to accomplish while awaiting our Lord Jesus return.Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Now lets look at the Mechanics behind that instruction. A lot of saints disregard this because they cannot see how asking a deceiving spirit to confess that Jesus has come in the flesh is going to force them to reveal themselves. But the process involved is far simpler than it would appear and this is not the only question available either.1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
A false spirit of prophecy is here to deliver a deception. When you are asking these questions you are placing them in a position where they are being required to affirm and confirm already established biblical truths, the very ones they are required to draw us away from. By asking these questions we catch them between a rock and a hard place as they cannot confirm the truths associated with Christ with out compromising the deceptions they were sent to introduce to us.
Has Jesus Come in the flesh
Does Jesus now sit at the right hand of God on high.
Is God the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
Is Jesus king of Kings and Lord of Lords
Is Jesus the lamb that takes away the sins of the world.
Is salvation to be found only in the name of Jesus who shed his blood for us and is now seated at the right hand of God.
Is Jesus the Christ
The list can be added to yourselves. All you need is known biblical truths that has to be confirmed as true and that can only be affirmed by the spirit that comes from Gods throne of grace. The scriptures instruct us to do this, If the prophetic spirit is from God it will comply very readily. If it is not it will resist in some way or pull away.
The same principle can be applied to people as well
You simply apply the same list of Biblical truths and compare what a false Apostle is teaching or enforcing to what the bible says. I know quite a few that will not affirm that simple list I put together and they will be the first to teach that the spirit of prophecy is not to be tested this way even though the instruction in the scriptures is perfectly clear. And when you go look at their fruit you can see it produces bitter results. A very obvious modern example is the oneness doctrine, How can Jesus be seated at the right hand of God if he is God. Right off the batt you see who has drifted off into the false. And as expected they will be the very ones that discourage the testing of the spirit of prophecy with excuses like it is disrespectful etc. Then it is the same group that will promptly start giving out prophecies of the different incarnations of God such as Melchisedec which is so obviously wrong but it shows which spirit of prophecy they are listening to. The false. And through religiosity they will bully whom they can into following them. Rotten fruit!2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
If there is one thing the church really needs now it is the true prophecies from Gods thrown of Grace being delivered to the saints, not the false. We have been instructed how to test so why are we not doing it. Is it any wonder there is such a falling away and so much Cynicism on display in the body.
I've asked them many questions such as "Did Jesus come in the flesh?" and a few times they found a way to say yes....somehow.
If an "Angel" seemed to appear in my bedroom dressed in white cloth telling me how wonderful I am... I would cast it out.
That generational chain letter part in the OP is what convinced me because they kept telling me this was about "linage." I realize that's also discerning a spirit but its better to assume they're evil than to open yourself up. Everytime you talk to them you run the chance of screwing something up. That's why I can't stand to hear their voice because it bugs me how dangerous that is.
I had two encounters where I thought I was in the presence of a messenger of God. A blast of bright light as bright as burning magnesium appeared in my room and my heart got shocked. That's my impression of what an angel encounter would be...not of prophecy but of judgment. (ananias and sapphira)
I can't speak for anyone else though.
The problem with hearing demonic voices is its not like any other situation. No one can hear or see whats going on and correct you. You're literally in an entirely different world and you have no idea who or what you're listening to and what they're trying to do.
I know this is a dark subject that many don't like talking about but I think this problem will only increase in the future. And speaking from my experience some of the cases are the real thing.
One voice actually claimed to be Jesus and another claimed to be the anti-Christ in the flesh. Another voice keeps calling me "son." I don't want to credit them because they're just a black dot on a huge white piece of paper that is God but they're so much smarter than we are. Having pride in thinking you can discern on your own without that gift given to you is like going to war without armor.
I'm sure if they thought long enough they could say: "Sure...I'm of the God of a random Jacob or Isaac"
will find themselves well on their way into the occult.
Hearing from God is not something that can be done on the fly either. It is up to the person to be coming to the throne of Grace properly hearing from the true God through Christ or there is guaranteed a false spirit.
Deliverance and healing is the right of every blood bought believer in Christ.
Somewhere, probably around the time you started hearing these voices, something happened in your life that gave these entities a right to harass you.
You have to cancel that right through thorough confession...and Jesus will be faithful and just to cleanse you from all unrighteousness (surrendered rights) and you can then take authority over these defeated enemies and send them packing.
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They've said many things about Jesus and I've yet to figure out the right question to ask to get the desired answer.
Knowing who God is, and who His Christ is is the key to testing the spirit. Yes, it is better to be safe than sorry. Anyone or any spirit who gets offended at being tested the way it is instructed in scripture is
a false apostle, false prophet, false teacher, or false spirit.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
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