Yes, Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:Originally Posted by the rookie
Coffee Break
Yes, Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Captain Obvious
What exactly are you saying Jeremiah is saying here?
The Rookie
Twelve is the number of government. Thus, it is quite apropos that I am on my way towards wielding the power of twelve bars - each bar like, say, a tribe.....or a star.....or, maybe an apostle. A blue apostle. Like apostle smurfs. Does anyone remember smurfs? And all the controversy about them being from the devil? It's probably bad that I juxtaposed "apostle" and "smurf" in the same sentence. But then, I probably lost you at "blue apostle". Yes, my friends, this is what "rare jewel of a person" is actually implying. "Rare Jewel of a Person" really means, "Potentially Insane".
Coffee Break
In the context that it is written, I understand God to say that all those laws were given to the Jews because of disobedience.
Captain Obvious
You could have quoted Paul in Galatians in that regard. Then, you could quote Paul stating that the Law is holy from Romans. The Law was added to show sin as sinful. Or, in modern terminology, "to reveal to mankind why he was dying", i.e. a cat-scan or an x-ray to show us what is inside of us that is killing us. The Law is still useful for that purpose today.
There is nothing deficient about the Law - it reveals that the deficiency is within us. It is inadequate to cure what it reveals, but that doesn't mean that it isn't useful to God in revealing that we are not like God in any way, and in great need of His merciful intervention via grace to save us.
The Law is not obsolete. Animal sacrifice is, which was the point of this OP.
The Rookie
Twelve is the number of government. Thus, it is quite apropos that I am on my way towards wielding the power of twelve bars - each bar like, say, a tribe.....or a star.....or, maybe an apostle. A blue apostle. Like apostle smurfs. Does anyone remember smurfs? And all the controversy about them being from the devil? It's probably bad that I juxtaposed "apostle" and "smurf" in the same sentence. But then, I probably lost you at "blue apostle". Yes, my friends, this is what "rare jewel of a person" is actually implying. "Rare Jewel of a Person" really means, "Potentially Insane".
Coffee Break
Animal sacrifice is only obsolete because the Ultimate Lamb was sacrificed. The OP doesn't recognize that point, therefore to him who is still living under the law animal sacrifice is still required to fulfill the law.
God has not forsaken Israel. The purpose of God's law was not to set his people up so he could pull the rug from under them. God's law reveals our shortcomings. Do away with God's standards and we have no measuring rod. Do away with God's unconditional promises and we have no security in Him because none of us can keep our end of it. And embedded in that lies our purpose - to glorify God. And this is how we glorify Him - in love and humility.
God alone draws and God alone saves. Not our doctrines or formulas.
Unhappy is he who mistakes the branch for the tree, the shadow for the substance.
Captain Obvious
*sigh*
That's a very different point than:
By suddenly changing the subject of the last five pages of discussion from this post:
...to this post:You have to be kidding. What do you mean by, "Christians moved beyond animal sacrifice in Jerusalem?"
...which takes you five pages (and some poor arguments) to get to, well, it makes it appear as if your only reason for posting in this thread is to badger the OP versus, say, sharing the gospel with kindness.Animal sacrifice is only obsolete because the Ultimate Lamb was sacrificed. The OP doesn't recognize that point, therefore to him who is still living under the law animal sacrifice is still required to fulfill the law.
The Rookie
Twelve is the number of government. Thus, it is quite apropos that I am on my way towards wielding the power of twelve bars - each bar like, say, a tribe.....or a star.....or, maybe an apostle. A blue apostle. Like apostle smurfs. Does anyone remember smurfs? And all the controversy about them being from the devil? It's probably bad that I juxtaposed "apostle" and "smurf" in the same sentence. But then, I probably lost you at "blue apostle". Yes, my friends, this is what "rare jewel of a person" is actually implying. "Rare Jewel of a Person" really means, "Potentially Insane".
Coffee Break
Fenris doesn't need defenders, for he is quite adequate at defending himself. Fenris needs people to tell him the truth. Fenris knows quite better than most forum members where I am coming from. If Fenris should die tonight he will not enter the kingdom of God. I care about Fenris' soul, and not whether I hurt his feelings.
Captain Obvious
Yes, as my last five words stated, I love it when people tell the truth. I don't like it so much when they clang cymbals together, though....
The Rookie
Twelve is the number of government. Thus, it is quite apropos that I am on my way towards wielding the power of twelve bars - each bar like, say, a tribe.....or a star.....or, maybe an apostle. A blue apostle. Like apostle smurfs. Does anyone remember smurfs? And all the controversy about them being from the devil? It's probably bad that I juxtaposed "apostle" and "smurf" in the same sentence. But then, I probably lost you at "blue apostle". Yes, my friends, this is what "rare jewel of a person" is actually implying. "Rare Jewel of a Person" really means, "Potentially Insane".
Coffee Break
Maybe you don't understand, I am a lover of Israel because they are God's chosen, but until the day that they accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah they will receive no blessing from God. Every Jew that dies today without Jesus Christ is lost, and will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Coffee Break
Fenris for the most part does not like to hear scripture quoted from the New Testament. The fact is the law never saved anyone, only God's mercy saves, and Fenris has stated that he doesn't want God's mercy, and that he intends to earn his own way.
Coffee Break
I asked Fenris from the beginning what Christians offered animal sacrifice, and after asking him four times he finally answered four pages later, saying that Christians believed sacrifice was once necessary, but no longer believe it is necessary.
Look, Fenris came on this forum not to learn about Christ, but rather to dissuade anyone from believing in him. This is my opinion, and one only has to follow his threads to ascertain this.
I will say this for Fenris, he has gathered quite a following. I respect Fenris myself, but I do not believe he needs to be coddled.
נתהלך באור
Does one replace the other? Holiness in Judaism is a temple holiness based on God's presence in a specific place...Jerusalem and more specifically the holiest place in the temple.
One need not be holy to help someone. Righteousness is always good...but where is the goy kadosh? Where is the priestly class in Judaism? Who is ministering unto the Lord...directly?
The answer lies in Christianity. God has changed the covenant and His presence and priests are they who walk according to the Spirit...in Christ.
Formerly "Adullam" from other sites!
Striving to apprehend that for which I have been apprehended in Christ Jesus.
Walk in the Light! (התהלכו באור)
Good bye.
Which is it? You contradicted yourself within ten posts. The second half of your claim is the same ('the Jews have abandoned God'), but the first half of your claim does a complete one-eighty.
Good bye.
Would you put your trust in Jesus if someone claiming to represent him was verbally beating you in the face? Of course not. That person would be a terrible representative of Jesus.
This isn't about defending Fenris, or 'coddling' him, or protecting his 'feelings'. (He's more than capable of doing any of those for himself anyway.) It's about a Christian making a huge racket about the Jesus whose overarching teaching is 'love' all the while failing to actually act in accordance with that teaching. And then refusing to accept the corrections from fellow Christians when they call that person out on it.
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