God didn't abandon them. He sent the prophesied Messiah. They are in unbelief, trusting flesh rather than God.Originally Posted by claybevan
Gentiles were grafted in. All adherents to Judaism can repent according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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God didn't abandon them. He sent the prophesied Messiah. They are in unbelief, trusting flesh rather than God.
Gentiles were grafted in. All adherents to Judaism can repent according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Emotion over scripture? No thanx.
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But notice what that passage proves.
Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people
In context, the people would mean ethnic Israel. This shows that God has not forsaken His people, only those that refuse to hear His Son.
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For example, Ezekiel 37: ...Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all; and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all; 23 neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwelling-places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them; so shall they be My people, and I will be their God. 24 And My servant David shall be king over them, and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also walk in Mine ordinances, and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children, for ever; and David My servant shall be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them--it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will establish them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for ever. 27 My dwelling-place also shall be over them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 And the nations shall know that I am the LORD that sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever.'
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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I know I'm a pain, but there's more? only when you have nothing better to do!catch you later.
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Sure. Off the top of my headI know I'm a pain, but there's more? only when you have nothing better to do!
Isaiah 2:4 And He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Zechariah 8:20 Thus saith the LORD of hosts: It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come peoples, and the inhabitants of many cities; 21 and the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying: Let us go speedily to entreat the favour of the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts; I will go also. 22 Yea, many peoples and mighty nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to entreat the favour of the LORD. 23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'
AMOS 9:14 And I will turn the captivity of My people Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be plucked up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
And so on....
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Using a passage like that, it's no wonder the Messiah never fulfilled that as expected. That will be fulfilled towards and at/after the 2nd coming, because there was a first coming. Many Christians try to apply that passage to the NT church, which then seems nonsensical..this part for one..And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers dwelt. And this part as well..neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions. That's speaking in past tense, pre the NT church.
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Then the Jewish wait is not in vain.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Clearly a 2nd coming passage IMO. That's why the Messiah has not been seen as fulfilling this yet. But because of the first coming, it will be fulfilled at the 2nd coming.
As a matter of fact, the same with those other 2 passages as well, IMO.
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Well you can't act surprised if Jews don't think he's the messiah when you admit he didn't fulfill messianic prophecies.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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In a way, maybe it could be in vain, I don't know, so don't take that to mean I think it might be in vain. Just trying to reason out loud from my perspective. The fact that you all don't recognize the first coming. I'm not certain what to make of it, since I'm 100% convince the Messiah has already came once. If you didn't recognize Him the first time around, what then would make this time around different?
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But not all Jews come to the same conclusion as you and others do. How is that they were able to recognize the first coming, but not others, such as yourself?
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I know. Problem is, Jewish reading of the bible doesn't conclude that there will be a "first coming" and a "second coming".
Well, according to you he's going to fulfill messianic prophecy like Ezekiel 37. That's be kinda hard to miss.If you didn't recognize Him the first time around, what then would make this time around different?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Excellent, I'm going for a beer nowbut don't tell the lot on the ' should women be allowed to speak in church' post, or they'll be changing my name to Jezebel. PS I'm impressed with the top of your head!
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Also according to me, He is not going to fulfill the following in the future, but He has already fulfilled it.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
So I could then say the same thing..that be kinda' hard to miss as well. Especially since the NT records that this event historically happened as predicted, and that many of the Jews recognized this event at the time, the fact this was said.
Matthew 21:8 And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.
9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
That's sort of strange behavior for those folks at the time, if there was no reason for them reacting like that.
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