Overthrow a dictatorship. Still rebellion against God?

[jesse]

jesus rebelled against the lawmakers and tax collectors he never rebelled against god

He never rebelled against tax collectors. He paid his taxes like everyone else. He rebelled against empty religious efforts. And i would make the point that when a King "rebels" it is not so much rebellion as it is judgement.

[dan]

Romans 13 says to obey the governing authorities. But what I am sure a lot of people know is that there are a lot of nations in which the government can be downright cruel and discriminatory to certain people.

Nations like North Korea, Cuba, most of Africa, Haiti, Mexico, Venezuela, and possibly China have governments that ruthlessly rob the poor and give to the rich, always continuously widening the gap between rich and poor. They do not serve people with disabilities. People with such ailments as polio, muscular dystrophe, paraplegia, quadriplegia, those in wheelchairs, and not to mention those with learning and/or developmental disabilities like myself get no help whatsoever from those governments. Some of those nations, like North Korea, even punish people for Christianity. I even read that once, 5 Christian leaders in North Korea were publicly executed, just for their religion, by being run over with a steamroller. China has a forced abortion policy for families who have more than 1 child.

Does anyone think that the Bible might provide exceptions for those types of situations in government? Or is it in fact a sin to try to overthrow corruption?

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."-Thomas Jefferson

Here is the truth.

[Colight]

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."-Thomas Jefferson

Here is the truth.

In the American war of Independence, technically it was a Break away rather than a rebellion.
They did not overthrow the King of England

[Watchman]

In the US, God has given power to we, the people. Those we elect may be removed by whatever means, as long as the removal reflects the will of the people. We have no king. Those we elect are simply hired hands who we choose to SERVE us. If they become despotic/dictatorial, then we, the people have the power, the right, and no scriptural hindrances from removing them.

W

[Canadian37]

Like any verse it has to be brought into the context of what else was being talked about. And into the context of the whole bible. There's a verse that talks about fleeing from tyranny as well. So no don't be naive about this or any other one single verse.

[RockSolid]

Despite what some might say, there are currently plenty of reasons to rebel against the American government if Christians were inclined to do so. But they are not inclined to do so.

I am not planning on rebelling against the American government but,

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"- Declaration of Independence, July 4 1776

One of our governing documents, that in your opinion was ordained by God, says that we have the right to alter or abolish our government if it becomes destructive to us.

[Watchman]

I am not planning on rebelling against the American government but,

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"- Declaration of Independence, July 4 1776

One of our governing documents, that in your opinion was ordained by God, says that we have the right to alter or abolish our government if it becomes destructive to us.

I agree with this. I, too, am not planning on armed revolt...just makin' a point.

W

[Colight]

I am not planning on rebelling against the American government but,

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"- Declaration of Independence, July 4 1776

One of our governing documents, that in your opinion was ordained by God, says that we have the right to alter or abolish our government if it becomes destructive to us.

And what would you replace it with?
A bad government is a sign of the corruption in the churches, as goes the believers so goes the nation.
America problem is its believers are distracted into emotionalism rather than sound doctrine.
This carries over into its government and economy for there is little or no capacity for God to bless, thanks to the nation being full of spiritual infants.
A nation of spiritual infants would replace their government with the same.. that being men who are insecure, pandering, masters of smooth speech, and full of spiritual corruption.
thanks but no thanks,.

[buster]

There is one truth I seem to have just realized. God's law is perfect, but man's law is not perfect. Reason being is; man himself is not perfect.

[Canadian37]

All Governments are implimenting laws that correspond to the NWO agenda which in turn corresponds to The Georgia Guide Stones. They're 10 commandments are:

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

[jesse]

I am not planning on rebelling against the American government but,

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"- Declaration of Independence, July 4 1776

One of our governing documents, that in your opinion was ordained by God, says that we have the right to alter or abolish our government if it becomes destructive to us.

Not in my opinion. While i do believe the governments have the backing of God to some degree I take it no further than...

Pray for the Government
Pay for the Government
Obey the Government

Anything beyond that is about as important as playing Xbox.

About a year ago there was a vote on some taxation issue... it was in the news all the time and everyone at work was talking about it. I was very tempted to vote on that issue. I realized that if it was of huge importance to me maybe i should pray about it instead... turned out... i didn't really care about taxes. Ha ha.

[Arrow]

In Rev the kings of the earth are labeled together, like;'' the kings of the earth have become rich by her exessive luxaries.''

[tea]

Revelation 17:2

'With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.
God doesn't say some kings, but,' the kings..'. They are are of the kingdom of darkness, but we cannot fight darkness with earthly weapons.

[dan]

Like any verse it has to be brought into the context of what else was being talked about. And into the context of the whole bible. There's a verse that talks about fleeing from tyranny as well. So no don't be naive about this or any other one single verse.

Would you show us this verse in the Bible, please? The one that talks about fleeing tyranny?

[14390876]

Do governments exist to cater to the infirm and the poor?
To take away from the productive and give to the lazy with the might of the rifle?
We get the governments we deserve, some of these cruel governments are the judgement of heaven upon a people who have rejected God or even Christians who have rejected truth.
So why exactly should we be involved in lessing Gods judgement upon a wicked people??

I just can't agree. This is to much of a generalization without any evidence.Not every country got the opportunity to vote for their governments. Many Africans could hardly be said to have chosen or "deserved" their governments. First their was the colonialists, now their are the dictators. To say that this is God's judgement upon Africa for being so wicked is not really fair. The people did NOT always choose their government. There are many in South Africa who were oppressed but were not lazy, not, in my opinion wicked (their lives don't testify of wickedness), and did not reject the truth more than any non-oppressed citizen Non-white South Africans did not deserve Apartheid.

I believe revolutions and the opposing of govenrments are acceptable under certain conditions.

Is all mighty God able to bless his flock in the midst of the North Korea or China?

To plot revolution against these governments when you are under them is Crusader Arrogance, the same type of arrogance that spawned the Inquisition. God can not bless such a act. If you live there and dont like it, find a way to leave.

Easier said than done. The oppressed are also the poor, generally. And in South Africa this is actually what does happen. Thousends of people come into our country seeking refuge from such governments and such people mostly end up worse ( off as refugees in another country than they would have, than if the oppressive government has been removed and replaced with a better one.


What about the situation in the old testament where God took Israel out of Egypt. Is it really so impossible that God could sometimes intervene in certain situations (using people as his instruments for achieving this)?