Overthrow a dictatorship. Still rebellion against God?

[dan]

Hence why that would be a joyful thing for a American Christian to do.
To The German... if they wanted to do that .. they would need to repatriate to the side of the good guys..

Interesting implication. I'll have to think about that one.

[tea]

gentleness = ἐπιεικής epieikēs

1) seeming, suitable
2) equitable, fair, mild, gentle

Gentleness is not a valid translation for ἐπιεικής epieikēs in that passage...

Therefore your question and line of thought on this verse is mute.

Isn't this a bit of a plastic answer?
You first acknowledge that the word is gentle, and you give the definition of the word, then a day or so later, you change your mind about the word.
Is this a sign that perhaps you haven t thought much through the issue?

Do you think you have a better knowlege than all the greek scholars who translated the New Testament?

Have a look at what real scholars think.
Today's New International Version (TNIV)5 Let your mildness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

New International Version (NIV)

5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.

Third Millennium Bible (TMB)
5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
Revised Standard Version (RSV)

5 Let all men know your forbearance. The Lord is at hand.

5 Let your moderation be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

The Darby Translation (DBY)
5 Let your gentleness be known of all men. The Lord [is] near.

The Message (MSG)
5 Make it as clear as you can to all you meet that you're on their side, working with them and not against them. Help them see that the Master is about to arrive. He could show up any minute!
New Living Translation (NLT)5 Let everyone see that you are considerate in all you do. Remember, the Lord is coming soon.
New Revised Standard (NRS)
5 Let your gentleness be known to everyone. The Lord is near.

Here are just a few versions quoted. Bear in mind that there are MANY greek scholars working on every translation, but you know better than them all.
So, Co, which version will you answer a question on to try and propagate killing, murder, war, and violence?
Which gospel will you use, the gospel of peace from the Lord Jesus Christ?

[Colight]

Isn't this a bit of a plastic answer?
You first acknowledge that the word is gentle, and you give the definition of the word, then a day or so later, you change your mind about the word.
Is this a sign that perhaps you haven t thought much through the issue?

Do you think you have a better knowlege than all the greek scholars who translated the New Testament?

Have a look at what real scholars think.
Today's New International Version (TNIV)5 Let your mildness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

New International Version (NIV)

5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.

Third Millennium Bible (TMB)
5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
Revised Standard Version (RSV)

5 Let all men know your forbearance. The Lord is at hand.

5 Let your moderation be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.

The Darby Translation (DBY)
5 Let your gentleness be known of all men. The Lord [is] near.

The Message (MSG)
5 Make it as clear as you can to all you meet that you're on their side, working with them and not against them. Help them see that the Master is about to arrive. He could show up any minute!
New Living Translation (NLT)5 Let everyone see that you are considerate in all you do. Remember, the Lord is coming soon.
New Revised Standard (NRS)
5 Let your gentleness be known to everyone. The Lord is near.

Here are just a few versions quoted. Bear in mind that there are MANY greek scholars working on every translation, but you know better than them all.
So, Co, which version will you answer a question on to try and propagate killing, murder, war, and violence?
Which gospel will you use, the gospel of peace from the Lord Jesus Christ?

Christ him self stated..

Matthew 24:6
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

These wars must be fought..
Christ himself stated so, therefore If one knows that wars must be fought. Christ stated so.
One would also know that the sufferings of defeat are great.
So we had best fight to WIN.

On ἐπιεικής epieikēs

A common derivation of this word is from εἴκω, to yield. Hence the meaning, mind, yielding, indulgent. But the true derivation is from εἰκός, reasonable; and the word implies rather the not being unduly rigorous:

"Wherein not strictness of legal right, but consideration for one another, is the rule of practice" (Alford).

For moderation (τὸ ἐπιεικὲς), Rev. gives forbearance, with gentleness in margin.
According to Aristotle, the word stands in contrast with ἀκριβοδίκαιος, one who is exactingly just, as one who is satired with less than his due.

America showed such a act with the airlifts of the food and supplies to help the population of Germany after the war,.
Also there was much aid that was used on Japan.
We had the RIGHT as victor to totally loot those areas, yet we showed 'ἐπιεικής epieikēs' (forbearance or not being totally strict in our legal rights) on them and took their needs into consideration. Were as RUSSIA did not show such forbearance on those of East Germany. The war had to be fought, but after the war it was known of the fairness of our people,

[keck553]

In America, our governing authority requires us to rebel against a despot. And we are to submit to that governing authority.

[NHL Fever]

In America, our governing authority requires us to rebel against a despot. And we are to submit to that governing authority.

I think the most important distinction between America and most modern nations today, and leaders or earlier times, is that the absolutely authority is not a person or group of people but rather a constitution. Whether this is actually followed is a seperate issue but in theory the highest authority is not a person, it is a document. Submission to the authority of land therefore means submission to the constitution. Conceivably, a leader violating the constitution would be violating the earthly authority of the land, and would be legitimately challenged.

[episkopos]

In America, our governing authority requires us to rebel against a despot. And we are to submit to that governing authority.

That's unfortunate! There are so many countries like this that oppress the people of God. We should never take our freedom for granted.

[tea]

Christ him self stated..
Matthew 24:6
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Hi
A quick one before bed, it's late here!
Because Jesus said 'And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars' does this mean we need to disobey being gentle?
God bless

[Colight]

Hi
A quick one before bed, it's late here!
Because Jesus said 'And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars' does this mean we need to disobey being gentle?
God bless

Since gentile is not really a valid translation for this passage, why carry on about it?

[tea]

Since gentile is not really a valid translation for this passage, why carry on about it?

Why do you think you know more than at least 100 greek scholars? Did you studay any greek at all?

[Athanasius]

Why do you think you know more than at least 100 greek scholars? Did you studay any greek at all?

Here's a question for you: was Jesus always 'meek and mild', or were there instances were someone might say he wasn't gentile, mild, etc.?

[Colight]

Why do you think you know more than at least 100 greek scholars? Did you studay any greek at all?

each man must work out their own salvation.
I do not trust these 100 Nameless Greek scholars will represent me before Christ, when It comes evaluation time..
Therefore I take it upon my self to do research and study on this... so that when It comes time for that review on this.
I will be found as a approved workman..

[keck553]

I think the most important distinction between America and most modern nations today, and leaders or earlier times, is that the absolutely authority is not a person or group of people but rather a constitution. Whether this is actually followed is a seperate issue but in theory the highest authority is not a person, it is a document. Submission to the authority of land therefore means submission to the constitution. Conceivably, a leader violating the constitution would be violating the earthly authority of the land, and would be legitimately challenged.

Yes. My duty is to a document, as much as any elected official's duty is to a document. If either citizen or elected servant corrupt that duty, they are in violation of a Biblical command.

[keck553]

That's unfortunate! There are so many countries like this that oppress the people of God. We should never take our freedom for granted.

Sorry, i do not understand what you are trying to say.

[keck553]

Why do you think you know more than at least 100 greek scholars? Did you studay any greek at all?

How meek does the Bible descibe Moses?

Is it gentileness to sit on your principles and allow a man to torture, rape and murder a child?

[dan]

A question for the last 3 posters, Colight, Dan, and Athanasius.

Is a christian who is killing in a war being obedient to

Philippians 4:5

'Let your gentleness be evident to all. '

No, because you don't demonstrate gentleness to the enemy in war, you demonstrate gentleness to those that expect you to be gentle.

Believe me when I tell you that the enemy doesn't expect you to be gentle, and is prepared to demonstrate his lack of gentleness to you.