Is Jesus God

[ChristianCoffee]

so your saying that jesus and good are one and if so then god, jesus and i are one aswell ,since when can a human be = to GOD .

That is not what they are saying at all: Jesus said many times that He was God. Look at these verses:

John 10: 30-33

I and the Father are one.

Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,

but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”


John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word (Jesus): and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Isaiah 9:6

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Those verses implicitly provide the answer that Jesus and God are one. 2/3's of the Holy Trinity (with the Holy Spirit).


Now, we are not equal to God, but we are created in His image. Look at Genesis 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


He created us: we are not his equal, we are His creation. We are not "little gods" as some try to say. But we are His children when we accept Jesus as our Savior. When we are filled with the Holy Spirit, and are abiding in Him, then He is in us. But that does not make us equal to God, or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit. What it does when we accept Him is open us up to more freedom then can be imagined. To be free is to have Him with us. To have Him living in us: and to want to live for Him. But, in no way does that ever make us equal with God: that can never happen.

I hope this helps you.

In Him,

CC

Romans 8: 15-17

For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

[vlad]

thats what is confusung jesus was a human being just like us .

[nzyr]

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)

[dan]

Besides the referencs quite dove gave, take a look in the Book of Revelation, specifically the letters to the churches. Notice how He introduces Himself to the churches.

In many of His introductions He is deliberately describing Himself with titles, descriptions and attributes that no one but God could have.

Rev 2:8 And to the angel of the assembly of Smyrna, write: These things says the First and the Last, Who became dead, and lived:

Rev 3:1 And to the angel of the assembly in Sardis, write: These things says the One having the seven spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know your works, that you have the name that you live, and are dead.

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the assembly in Philadelphia, write: These things says the Holy One, the True One, the One having "the key of David," "the One opening, and no one shuts; and shuts, and no one opens:"

Rev 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

Rev 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

You may not think that Jesus is God; but He certainly does!!!

Ahh, but you have missed his Apostle's admission that He is just the "first born" of Creation":

COL 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
COL 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
COL 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
COL 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
COL 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
COL 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
COL 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
COL 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

[Saved7]

Of course Jesus is God. Not A god, but THE God, God in the flesh. Vlad your beliefs are not aligned with orthodox Christianity.

[doug3]

Ahh, but you have missed his Apostle's admission that He is just the "first born" of Creation":

COL 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
COL 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
COL 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
COL 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
COL 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
COL 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
COL 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
COL 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

As nzyr posted (#18):

'And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)'

Also consider:

“5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; 11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Php 2:5-12 AV_KJV)

[Saved7]

MOD NOTE: This thread belongs in Areopagus or Christians Answer Forum. Moving thread.

[jesse]

thats what is confusung jesus was a human being just like us .

Well he wasn't a human being just like us because we sin. He did not sin. We are not good and therefore = to God. We are sinners. Jesus is good and is God. So when we are viewed by God as having lived like Christ... we too are seen as good even though we are not. This doesn't make us = to Christ in every way... just in the the way that the cross effects us. Christ took our sins. That is how God can view us as having died. Like in the old testament sacrafice of the scapegoat. The sins are laid on the scapegoat and it is sent out from the camp. Chirst is the scapegoat. That doesn't make us omnipresent or all knowing or any other quality that God has asides from some form of Holy.

[dan]

As nzyr posted (#18):

'And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)'

Also consider:

“5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; 11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Php 2:5-12 AV_KJV)

Sure, but still, Jesus is the mediator for God.

For God has declared that murders and idols have made direct interaction with God nearly impossible:

NUM 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye [are]: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

EZEK 20:31 and when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, do ye pollute yourselves with all your idols unto this day? and shall I be inquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I will not be inquired of by you;

Further, God states, through Jesus' Disciples, that He sent Jesus, not that He came Himself:

1JN 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1JN 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

[Toner44]

vlad, I heard a story from a pastor recently that might put things in perspective: There was a judge that recently found a defendant guilty of a traffic violation and charged him with the crime with the full weight of the law but afterwards the judge paid the fine in-full himself for the defendant. Justice was served and so was grace. The judge charged the man with the crime to fulfill his duty as judge but paid the fine himself as a friend. If he had simply not charged him with the crime justice would not have been served and we would have had a state of lawlessness.

In an infinitely greater context thats sort of what occurred. God charged us with the crime in the fullest extent. The penalty had to be paid by a member of the human race to fulfill God's righteousness but it was paid by Jesus because the charge was so great it couldn't be paid by us.

^{(Quote from Jesus) 18} No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.” John 10:18

[Toner44]

Since God is omniscient I believe it is very likely that every detail of the crucifixion was agree upon within the trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) from the beginning.

[Toner44]

And the four living beings said, "Amen!" And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped the Lamb. Revelation 5:14 (Lamb = Jesus)

In-light of the commandment to have no false Gods..we can draw the conclusion that the Father and the Son are one in the same.

[BrianW]

I would think that a reading through and a study of The Gospel of John would clear up any questions about the deity of Jesus.

[quiet dove]

so your saying that jesus and good are one and if so then god, jesus and i are one aswell ,since when can a human be = to GOD .

The scriptures tell us that Jesus existed, always. Not created, He possesses life within Himself. God the Son. He was in all glory and majesty with God the Father. He willingly came into a human body...His incarnation. So what we have is God in the flesh...not God made only flesh. In other words, He did not stop being God the Son when He took on human flesh.

We, on the other hand...we were never a god to take on human flesh, we are created...we do not possess life within ourselves, it was given to us. While we are created in God's image...we are not a god. So no, and this is very important...created human beings can never be God, or even "a" god. That is the lie that Satan told Eve in the Garden...and it is a very serious matter. Men are not nor ever will be God, or 'gods'.

To say that God and Jesus are one...does not mean there is not God the Father, God the Son, and also God the Holy Spirit. But we must believe the scriptures when we are told there is only one God. Is that beyond our comprehension...yes, and what is beyond our finite ability to fully grasp, we take on faith...believing God.

To say that we are in Christ, He is in us, we are one with Him...does not mean we are a god...it means we are indwelt, as believers, by the Holy Spirit...we are given life, eternal life....

It's like, the Bible says a man and wife become one flesh...but after being married now some thirty odd years, I can tell ya, while my husband and I are one...we are still him and me...we are each and individual...but we live as one, working together in all things.

I know it is hard for our finite minds, and our finite minds cannot fully grasp and understand infinite God...thats where faith comes in. God has given us many visible proofs of His existence...we know Him to be true...and what is beyond our finite ability to grasp, we take on faith

[Toner44]

Well he wasn't a human being just like us because we sin. He did not sin. We are not good and therefore = to God. We are sinners. Jesus is good and is God. So when we are viewed by God as having lived like Christ... we too are seen as good even though we are not. This doesn't make us = to Christ in every way... just in the the way that the cross effects us. Christ took our sins. That is how God can view us as having died. Like in the old testament sacrafice of the scapegoat. The sins are laid on the scapegoat and it is sent out from the camp. Chirst is the scapegoat. That doesn't make us omnipresent or all knowing or any other quality that God has asides from some form of Holy.

Angels are sinless so that can't be the answer alone. Jesus has a level of righteousness among other virtues and properties that set Him apart from everything else.

I like to keep sinlessness and righteousness separate because I believe if God-given forgiveness gets you out of debt, God-given righteousness puts a million dollars in your account. I know I know money is a terrible analogy because you can't save up righteousness and buy something.