Earths Creation

[allyc33]

Hello everyone..
For my first post, I thought about whether to comment on a thread already started, or start my own.. I decided to start my own and ... (at) the beginning.

First...Ive always believed in God, had an understanding, and recognized the normal feelings and thoughts that went along with having Him a part of my life...However, there was a side of me that always felt a little guilty that I didnt really apply or appreciate what I learned.
So..about 2-3 years ago I really started reading and applying the Bible in my life.. It didnt take long for me to come to have a greater appreciation and love for Gods word.. I have found scriptures that make me stop in my tracks...As I think most would agree, it is amazing how powerful these verses are... they fill my mind with hope, a bit of fear but mostly excitement, amazment and love for our creator.

Every scripture, is just as meaningful and important as the one before it and the one after it. From Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. This is the only way I can feel.. after all it is our creators only message to us... I truly feel as with anyone who appreciates this Book, that God had a very serious reason for giving us these words. Each and every one of them....To deny one word, one phrase or one verse of the Bible is to deny it entirely. To think one sentence is inferior or less important to another is to say they are all un important.. Rendering it meaningless.

Maybe because this "big Book" can be overwhelming, sometime I will just open to a Chapter and start reading. I read slowly.. taking in each word... each verse, read and re-read.. then re-read again.. I pray for God to help me understand what he is trying to say to me.

Which leads my question to this..... If people try so hard to figure out what He is trying to tell us in so many other books of the Bible and especially Revelation, do they stop and try to figure out what He is trying to tell us in Genesis?

Genesis 1:1-19 is the beginning of creation. It is beautifully told, breath-taking and moving.. describing the love and attention He considered as He laid the foundation for what was yet to come. Before man was made in His image, God took 5 days (5000 years?) to create everything perfectly from the heavens right down to the grass blades.. all before his ultimate, most beautiful and loving creation of animals and humans. He created with great detail, precision and love. His work is magnificant. It is because of Genesis 1: 1-19 that we have what we have.. Do people take lightly these first few verses of Genesis, considering it simply just "the story of creation" and move on..

Ive heard people say it many times before... why are we here...? Ive come to wonder at this point, is it just another rhetorical question.
So I backed it up...a thousand years... before God created man....and If it is possible to think about this....if you left man and animals out of the picture (for just the moment) everything would be just as he created it... astoundingly beautiful and perfect.
Has anyone else ever thought about this? Does anyone have thoughts on why did God create (not man...which only took one day)...but eveything else that took five times as long? ....


Allyson

[jesse]

Ive heard people say it many times before... why are we here...? Ive come to wonder at this point, is it just another rhetorical question.
So I backed it up...a thousand years... before God created man....and If it is possible to think about this....if you left man and animals out of the picture (for just the moment) everything would be just as he created it... astoundingly beautiful and perfect.
Has anyone else ever thought about this? Does anyone have thoughts on why did God create (not man...which only took one day)...but eveything else that took five times as long? ....

I don't think that if we left man and animals out of the picture everything would be as He created it. One reason is that many plants depend on animals to live. The interconnectedness of animals and plants is too big of a deal to take animals away and assume plants would live. One of the major problems of evolutionary theory is that pretty much everything would need to come into existence at once. Also, the bible says:

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. Genesis 3:17-18

So we see that the whole of creation was affected by Sin. Take away the people and animals (assuming things could survive) and you still have a fallen creation with thorns and thistles.

[Noeb]

Ive heard people say it many times before... why are we here...? Ive come to wonder at this point, is it just another rhetorical question.
So I backed it up...a thousand years... before God created man....and If it is possible to think about this....if you left man and animals out of the picture (for just the moment) everything would be just as he created it... astoundingly beautiful and perfect.
Has anyone else ever thought about this? Does anyone have thoughts on why did God create (not man...which only took one day)...but eveything else that took five times as long? ....


Allyson

He created heaven and earth in the beginning. How much time passed before v2 we don't know.

[nzyr]

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. (Revelation 4:11)

[allyc33]

Thanks for your replies ... Please forgive the repetitivness, maybe my question was not clear, or I bogged it down with too many personal feelings...
When I posted, my question was .. Why did God create the Earth and all the wonderful things asscociated with it?

Maybe sometimes I have seemingly insignificant questions.. but they pluck my brain.. this is why I joined here.. to see if these small questons pluck at anyone elses brain... so with that said.... I am still curious to hear anyones thoughts as to why God created the universe, the planets, the stars, the galaxies, gravitational pull, exact distances, tilt and spin.., magnetic field, ... atmosphere, luminaries, vegitation, and everything else ... all working together in perfect harmony..

Thinking that the earth was just an ill-fated experiment would be an insult to our Almighty Father and His magnificant creation... Was he bored and wanted to try out His creating abilities...again, this would be an insult to think this way... Is there any logical, simple answer as to why He took the time to create something so beautiful... so maticulous..with so much thought to detail and with such precision.

Revelations 4:11 - "for thy pleasure" (KJV)
In many other versions of the Bible this same scripture says "because of your will" ... so IMHO I see the word "pleasure" in this scripture referring to God doing all that he pleases. (Or because He can do whatever it is that he wants to do)
So is that the answer? (Because he wanted to)

Any childs obvious next question would be "why did he want to"?
I am just looking for honest, humble, personal, heartfelt feelings or opinions. Or at least ... has anyone else wondered why he even bothered creating a sustainable EARTH? Maybe my simple question is really more complex then I thought.


Allyson

[John 8:32]

Thanks for your replies ... Please forgive the repetitivness, maybe my question was not clear, or I bogged it down with too many personal feelings...
When I posted, my question was .. Why did God create the Earth and all the wonderful things asscociated with it?

Maybe sometimes I have seemingly insignificant questions.. but they pluck my brain.. this is why I joined here.. to see if these small questons pluck at anyone elses brain... so with that said.... I am still curious to hear anyones thoughts as to why God created the universe, the planets, the stars, the galaxies, gravitational pull, exact distances, tilt and spin.., magnetic field, ... atmosphere, luminaries, vegitation, and everything else ... all working together in perfect harmony..

Thinking that the earth was just an ill-fated experiment would be an insult to our Almighty Father and His magnificant creation... Was he bored and wanted to try out His creating abilities...again, this would be an insult to think this way... Is there any logical, simple answer as to why He took the time to create something so beautiful... so maticulous..with so much thought to detail and with such precision.

Revelations 4:11 - "for thy pleasure" (KJV)
In many other versions of the Bible this same scripture says "because of your will" ... so IMHO I see the word "pleasure" in this scripture referring to God doing all that he pleases. (Or because He can do whatever it is that he wants to do)
So is that the answer? (Because he wanted to)

Any childs obvious next question would be "why did he want to"?
I am just looking for honest, humble, personal, heartfelt feelings or opinions. Or at least ... has anyone else wondered why he even bothered creating a sustainable EARTH? Maybe my simple question is really more complex then I thought.


Allyson

I think we have to understand why God created man to make any sense of the universe. Bear with me...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God made man an woman because He is reproducing Himself. We are not animals made after the animal kind, we are made after the God kind.

Now what about our future after the 7,000 yrs of reproduction on the earth?

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Jesus Christ is the heir to all things. OK what does that have to do with anything?

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Our destiny is to inherit all things with Christ as joint-heirs. We are to be sons and daughters of God.

God's Kingdom is to continue to expand...

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Creature in this passage could and probably should have been translated creation.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.


So look out at the heavens tonight and see all the stars and planets out there. They were not created in vain, they were created for the ever-expanding family of God.

[s4b4b47]

I find any post on Genesis fascinating. What other book can answer lifes most sought after question; 'how did it all begin?'. Genesis tells us exactly how. I appreciate that God with His infinite knowledge writes it in a way everyone can understand, rather than stating the technical points of how he engineered the dimensions of time to correspond with space and the physics of our world. just amazing to think how the complexities of all this was created in 7 days (including a rest day).

Genesis 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning —the sixth day.

God did not want robots that simply obeyed Him, but He loved us so much that he give us free will to choose whether to follow Him or go the 'other' way. It pleases God to see someone seeking Him with all their heart given they have free will to do as they choose. Even though He can see us wandering off the track, He may whisper this is the right way, but will not interfere with your free will to make our own choices, that is how much He loves us.

For God the past, present and future is all the same as He is not confined to the same laws we are, giving His son to die so we may live shows Gods intention to be close to us which is the most dificult thing anyone could do but He would say it was all worth it for you.

[WSGAC]

In the beginning when God was creating the heavens and the earth....and God said, "Let there be light."

Genesis 1:1-2 should be read as a dependent clause. Which would then make "and God said" the referent. Gospel writer John clearly understands Genesis 1:1-2 to be a dependent clause, hence his rendition, "In the beginning was the WORD."

The beginning is not creation. The beginning is "God said!"

[s4b4b47]

Agreed, in the beginning was the word and the word was god

[allyc33]

God amazing creation of the earth and loving gift was apparently all in vain..

Not what I would expect from a loving God.

[Athanasius]

God amazing creation of the earth and loving gift was apparently all in vain..

Not what I would expect from a loving God.

/Controversy

Why do you say that?

[allyc33]

/Controversy

Why do you say that?

Controversy?

I say that because of what I have been recently reading .. that God created the earth and mankind pre-destined to fail.

It is disheartening. It is depressing and sad and does not seem fair.

[Athanasius]

Controversy?

I say that because of what I have been recently reading .. that God created the earth and mankind pre-destined to fail.

It is disheartening. It is depressing and sad and does not seem fair.

Yes, that would be disheartening if God created humanity, rigging the cards so that they would assuredly fail. I don't see that in Scripture though, and going by what you said in your other threads, you're stopping short of how things resolve.

[allyc33]

My feelings on how things resolve is not what this thread is about. The same goes for other threads Ive posted on... That is why I havent commented on that subject. Its hard enough sticking to the subject at hand. I am not a scholar as some seem to be.. I am not as quick with scriptures as some are. I am commenting on things the best I can and ask others questions or post thoughts and feelings and try to stick to the subject.

I posted here about the "earth being created in vain" due to my frustration with the notion that God created us knowing that man would sin and fail ...that this was part of "His PLAN".... I walked around my house in circles for quite a while trying to grasp this concept after it was posted and agreed upon by several people.

Its nothing more or less than that.

You say "Yes, it would be disheartening and dont see that in scripture" but you seem to believe this as well.

[Athanasius]

My feelings on how things resolve is not what this thread is about. The same goes for other threads Ive posted on... That is why I havent commented on that subject. Its hard enough sticking to the subject at hand. I am not a scholar as some seem to be.. I am not as quick with scriptures as some are. I am commenting on things the best I can and ask others questions or post thoughts and feelings and try to stick to the subject.

I posted here about the "earth being created in vain" due to my frustration with the notion that God created us knowing that man would sin and fail ...that this was part of "His PLAN".... I walked around my house in circles for quite a while trying to grasp this concept after it was posted and agreed upon by several people.

Its nothing more or less than that.

You say "Yes, it would be disheartening and dont see that in scripture" but you seem to believe this as well.

I'll let you quote back to me where you think I agree with the idea that God created us to fail. As for resolution not being part of your focus, that's an incredibly odd thing to do, to leave that out. You seem to be focusing on 'God created us to fail'. Others have posted a contrary position: 'God created us to be in relationship with him'. Yet others are pointing out that God created us to be in relationship with him, we messed that up but ultimately all will be restored to how God intended creation to be. You can't stop short of the entire narrative, doing so will give you a skewed notion of how things are, were or were supposed to be.