Jesus Told Us How We Could Know When He Returns

[Johnny]

I will agree here, but also add that the fig tree parable is not about Israel's reestablishment but is a comparison. When you see the fig tree leaf out we know summer is close. In this way when we see the events Jesus mentions we know His coming is soon. The fig tree in the act of leafing out represent the events not Israel.

Is the 1948 establishment of the nation of Israel the blossoming fig tree?

There is little doubt among Bible scholars that the establishment of the State of Israel, on May 14, 1948, is the fulfillment of the prophecy of the fig tree. Throughout the Bible, Israel is referred to as the fig tree. Hosea 9:10 says, “When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your fathers, it was like seeing the early fruit on the fig tree.”

After describing His return, in Matthew 24:32-34, Jesus says this: “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all theses things have happened.” Most agree that this says that the generation of people who witness the fig tree bearing leaves (Israel becoming a nation) will not pass away until the Son of Man returns.

[songofdegrees]

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

He is speaking of the time when "ye shall see all these things, know that it is near" not the time when heaven and earth may pass away.

"Right at the door" (Matt. 24.33) is referring to when Jesus returns. Don't confuse this with the end of the world.

Mat 24.35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24.36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

And if you wanted to comingle verse 35 with verse 32, it is true of Jesus' day nobody knows when He returns, but verse 32 says once Israel is a nation again...then you can know (v.33). Since 1948 we have beenable to know when Jesus returns.

[songofdegrees]

Is this not some sort of astrology? Just asking.

No. Astrology is using the stars to tell you how you should feel or using the stars, the sun and the moon nonsensically to predict things.

The word of God is not nonsensical when it says there will be a unique blacksackcloth sun (Nov. 3, 2013 H3 4th since Christ) and red blood moon (feast Tetrads 2014/15 8th since Christ) before the Tribulation starts so that you can know.

[songofdegrees]

I will agree here, but also add that the fig tree parable is not about Israel's reestablishment but is a comparison. When you see the fig tree leaf out we know summer is close. In this way when we see the events Jesus mentions we know His coming is soon. The fig tree in the act of leafing out represent the events not Israel.

Israel is the primary event to begin the process. It doesn't say "leaf out". It says "branch tender" without leaves. Israel became very tender 1948 even earlier when the Jews started to flock to the land. Jesus cursed Israel by cursing the fig tree bearing no fruit but lots of leaves to indicate Israel's outward appearance was pretentious while its inner life was empty.

[songofdegrees]

this says that the generation of people who witness the fig tree bearing leaves (Israel becoming a nation) will not pass away until the Son of Man returns

Technically you are incorrect, because generation in Matt. 24.34 is referring to wicked generation, not a literal generation. Even so, "right at the door" would not be more than a lifetime so no later than 2023. 2023 is 75 years later. And Ps. 90.10 says a generation is 70 to 80 years. So split the difference comes to 75.

Who entered the promise land at the age of 75? The Tribulation is 2015 to 2022.

[Vanderhoven7]

I believe that it is impossible to anticipate the timing of the parousia. Besides, what possible good would it do for believers to know?

I view Matthew 24:1-35 as fulfilled. But of that day, (verse 36 on) the day of His second coming, knows no man.

[songofdegrees]

I believe that it is impossible to anticipate the timing of the parousia. Besides, what possible good would it do for believers to know?

I view Matthew 24:1-35 as fulfilled. But of that day, (verse 36 on) the day of His second coming, knows no man.

You don't have to anticipate. I showed how we know exactly, just as Jesus said, when it must take place otherwise Scripture is violated.

The benefit of being the generation parousia begins-the first rapture according to readiness-is that you seek to ovecometh more than you would otherwise knowing we are just a few years away. The clock is counting down to Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015, the day of the first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven for overcomer believers.

Verses 35-36 refer to the end of the world, not to when Jesus returns.

Verse 34 continues today a wicked generation.

There is no abomination set up in in the Temple (v.15). There is no Temple. 2 Thess. 2.4 and Rev. 11.2 says there will be a 3rd Temple.

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened" (Matt. 24.21,22). A great tribulation has not occurred yet. Nothing in history has characterized this depiction.

"For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (v.27). Jesus hasn't returned that we all should know it (Rev. 1.7).

You don't know when this happened: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken" (v.29). I know when this happens. It will happen at the end of Daniel's final seven in the year 2022.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (v.30). When did this occur? In 2022 Jupiter is that sign closest to earth in hundreds of years, a site to see. The year Jesus returns.

Praise the Lord!

[Protective Angel]

Most people don't know about it. There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid which occurs about 5% of the time. Then there are 3 kinds of Hybrids, the rarest which is the H3 which occurs about 5% of the time of all Hybrids. The H3 is simply a solar eclipse that starts off partial and finishes being a total eclipse to produce that blacksackcloth effect. It is even more rare when it is a long eclipse according to NASA lasting more than a minute and a half.

This long H3 is the 4th since Christ and won't happen again till 2172. It's amazing how it is right where it needs to be between the great earthquake 2010/11 and the Tetrad 2014/15.

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What's even more interesting is in 2022 Jupiter will be the closest to earth it has been in several centuries. You will be able to see it very visibly from earth and apparently it is suppose to sparkle with lots of comets hitting it.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Matt. 24.30).

I read this scripture last night about Jupiter.

Acts 19:35 And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

Are they refering to the planet or the God?

[songofdegrees]

I read this scripture last night about Jupiter.

Acts 19:35 And when the townclerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

Are they refering to the planet or the God?

Their god was Zeus otherwise known as Jupiter. Let us say what is meant by them is that the image came down from heaven from the planet Jupiter where their Zeus resides. They are wrong of course. In reality, it is from Satan who is in 2nd heaven. You can see how Satan always tries to confuse things. The pyramids for example were created to confuse with the New City which is 1379 x 1379 x 1379 miles cubed. With the help of Satan the Egyptians could only create a pyramid not an actual cube.

[RevLogos]

Date setting threads are always closed because when someone sets a date, Jesus marks it off His calendar.

August 2022, not going to happen.

[songofdegrees]

Date setting threads are always closed because when someone sets a date, Jesus marks it off His calendar.

August 2022, not going to happen.

That makes me sad to hear that when Jesus steps down on the mount of olives on Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 you admit you will reject Him. I can see as well that since the first rapture is Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 you will accuse this event of being a fake rapture of a couple million people. The word of God has set the date, imparted it to His saints, to share with the body of Christ. Date setting is very much a part of God's plan.

[quiet dove]

Songofdegrees...please read the rules for the forum, date setting is not allowed. The thread was allowed to continue for a short while in order that some could refute the whole date setting business, which they have done.

Closing the thread - date setting is not allowed