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    Consumption/population: were running out

    Scientists call for rethink on consumption, population

    By Chris Wickham | Reuters – 15 hrs ago






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    LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists have called for a radical rethink of our relationship with the planet to head off what they warn could be economic and environmental catastrophe.
    In a report published on Thursday by the London-based Royal Society, an international group of 23 scientists chaired by Nobel laureate Sir John Sulston called for a rebalancing of consumption in favor of poor countries coupled with increased efforts to control population growth to lift the estimated 1.3 billion people living on less than $1.25 a day out of poverty.
    "Over the next 30-40 years the confluence of the challenges described in this report provides the opportunity to move towards a sustainable economy and a better world for the majority of humanity, or alternatively the risk of social, economic and environmental failures and catastrophes on a scale never imagined," the scientists said.
    The 133-page report, which Sulston describes as a summary of work done over the last two years, comes against a backdrop of austerity-hit governments reducing subsidies for renewable energy, global car companies falling over themselves to meet demand for new cars in rapidly growing economies like China and Brazil, and increasing pressure to exploit vast reserves of gas locked in rocks around the globe through the controversial process known as ‘fracking'.
    But the scientists insist the goals in the report are realistic. They argue lifestyle choices, human volition and incentives enshrined in government policy can make a significant difference to patterns of consumption.
    They cite the growing appetite for recycling in the developed world, Britain's policy-driven switch to lead-free fuel in the 1980s, and the seemingly prosaic example of air traffic control as examples of where international cooperation can work.
    Sulston said governments realized quickly that the consequences of not managing air traffic could be catastrophic: "They said 'this is dangerous; we've got to cooperate'."
    The scientists say developed and emerging economies should stabilize and then start reducing their consumption of materials by increased efficiency, waste reduction and more investment in sustainable resources.
    Carbon dioxide emissions are 10 to 50 times higher in rich countries compared to poor nations, they say. Rising greenhouse gas emissions are almost certainly responsible for increasing global average temperatures, leading to rising sea levels and more extreme weather, climate scientists say.
    Voluntary programs to reduce birth rates, education for young women and better access to contraception urgently need political leadership and financial support.
    Professor Sarah Harper of Oxford University, another of the authors, said the issue of population had fallen off the development agenda in the last 10-15 years but it should be reinstated and coupled closely with environmental challenges, starting at the Rio+20 United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development to be held in Rio in June.
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    The trend to urbanization remains intact. Some 50 percent of the world's population, which surpassed 7 billion last year, is living in cities. The world's population is forecast to rise to 10 billion before flattening off and the urban proportion is forecast to increase to 75 percent by the end of the century.
    Eliya Msiyaphazi Zulu, a report author and Executive Director of the African Institute for Development Policy research group, said the need for education about family planning and improved access to contraception was most acute in Africa, which is forecast to contribute 70 percent of the average population growth.
    He said all the evidence points to African women wanting fewer children and argued the main reason for high fertility in a country like Niger was the fact that half of all women are married at the age of 16.
    The scientists also supported growing calls for a revision in how we measure economic growth. "We are extremely wedded to the idea that GDP increases are a good thing," said Jules Pretty, Professor of Environment and Society at the University of Essex and another of the authors.
    He argued that GDP measures many of the ‘bads' in terms of the well-being of the planet as well as the ‘goods', adding: "There is an urgent need for policy change."
    The scientists present some startling statistics. A child from the developed world consumes 30-50 times as much water as one from the developing world. Global average consumption of calories increased about 15 percent between 1969 and 2005, but in 2010 almost 1 billion people did not get their minimum calorie needs.
    Minerals production rocketed in the 47 years up to 2007; copper, lead and lithium about fourfold and tantalum/niobium, used in electronic gadgets, by about 77 times.
    For developed countries, Sulston said the message of the report boils down to something quite simple: "You don't have to be consuming as much to have a healthy and happy life".
    But will politicians and consumers respond?
    "It is a brave politician who is prepared to tell Western consumers to consume less to let the developing world consume more," said Tim Lang, Professor of Food Policy at City University in London. "But we need such bravery now, urgently."
    Lang, who was not involved in the study, welcomed it saying: "The West over- and mal-consumes its way to diet-related ill-health from a diet with a high environmental impact. The evidence is there but will politicians and consumers listen and change?"
    (Editing by Janet Lawrence)

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    Did not read all of it. It's tough to tell people to stop consuming when it is the principle driver of our economy.
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    The answer is easy, increase production and get road blocks out of the way. Liberals and the UN are standing in the way of production in undeveloped countries all over the world.

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    Yeah I'm a little confused. Who are these "scientists"? What kind of science do they study?

    It seems to me that if the developed world "consumed less", the developing world's economy would also take a hit.

    What do they want the developed world to do anyway? have the government of various countries tell it's citizens how much they may eat? How much they may spend and buy and sell? Isn't that just another way of saying "socialism"?
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    These are not true scientists...they are simply political puppets. The UN is working feverishly to control the entire world population...and the US government is, presently, complicit in this treasonous plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman View Post
    These are not true scientists...they are simply political puppets. The UN is working feverishly to control the entire world population...and the US government is, presently, complicit in this treasonous plan.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Yeah I'm a little confused. Who are these "scientists"? What kind of science do they study?
    Consumptionology?

    It seems to me that if the developed world "consumed less", the developing world's economy would also take a hit.
    Yup. China would probably take the biggest hit.

    What do they want the developed world to do anyway? have the government of various countries tell it's citizens how much they may eat? How much they may spend and buy and sell? Isn't that just another way of saying "socialism"?
    Yup, again. Global demand and competition for resources will take care of that by itself. Although that could eventually turn a bit ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teddyv View Post
    It's tough to tell people to stop consuming when it is the principle driver of our economy.
    Absolutely agree. Our entire supermarket mindset is based on "buy two, get one free" (even if you actually only need one). At the beginning of the industrial revolution, everyone thought the resources (oil, minerals, food, water, even air) were limitless. It was on this premise the Western civilizations built bigger and bigger machines - to dig, to extract, to process, to manufacture. Now we realize that nothing is limitless - the very earth itself is of a finite size - but how to change world thinking will only occur once things get a lot worse. Possibly then it will be too late.

    ... Even the reforms like carbon tax, "green" initiatives are designed around the consumption model and will fail because they fundamentally ask the wrong questions and address the wrong issues...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdh View Post
    Absolutely agree. Our entire supermarket mindset is based on "buy two, get one free" (even if you actually only need one). At the beginning of the industrial revolution, everyone thought the resources (oil, minerals, food, water, even air) were limitless. It was on this premise the Western civilizations built bigger and bigger machines - to dig, to extract, to process, to manufacture. Now we realize that nothing is limitless - the very earth itself is of a finite size - but how to change world thinking will only occur once things get a lot worse. Possibly then it will be too late.

    ... Even the reforms like carbon tax, "green" initiatives are designed around the consumption model and will fail because they fundamentally ask the wrong questions and address the wrong issues...
    Anyone ever studied the Russian theory that oil is actually renewing itself? Just curious. Sorry for the tangential intrusion!

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    This is the same tired "prophesy" that has been offered time and time again and yet has never come to pass. Many of these may indeed be "true" scientists but I would bet that most of them are at best, practitioners of the semi-soft science of biology, or the blatantly soft science(s) of evironmental and ecological studies. Some may indeed be of the hard sciences like geophysics, chemistry, and physics. But just as with the entire construct of the anthropogenic forcing of global climate change (aka the global warming hysteria) both the source of their funding and the source of the grants they are pursuing must be examined sceptically. The "over population" issue has also been a long standing cry of those, usually on the left politically. It has also proven time and time again to be a false klaxon as the more prosperous a society becomes the greater its efficiency improves continuously. Additionally, it is only a prosperous people who have the leisure to give a rats you inow what about the environment. And while the argument that nothing is limitless is valid, we already make wide spread use of "sustainability" with many of our resources. In the end we are faced by this very simple fact, life by definition requires consumption to continue. And if we end up following the councel of such findings cited above, we will end up doing a great deal more harm than the very "problem" we think we are fixing!

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    There is no shortage of anything. This is propaganda created by the far left to gain control of world production and education. Recently we discovered there is 20% of the worlds oil supply right here in the US for years to come.

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