some questions I'm struggling with

[Raybob]

Since Jesus created all things, and He IS Lord, I believe all of the old testament references to saints referring to God as "Lord", I believe they were about Jesus. Jesus IS Lord. He always was Lord, in the OT. Then in the NT, YHVH sent His only son (the Lord) to live in the flesh and die for our sins. Jesus wasn't born on this earth, He was translated from the Father to Mary's womb. Yes, unto us a child is 'born', so to speak, but He was in existence way before this world was formed.

...You, my friend, are stretching the truth a little in this remark.

Which of these truths do you not believe? I'll provide scriptures.

[Traveler]

These are just some of the verses that explain exactly where Jesus is now

Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Luk 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Yes Jesus has been made King of kings and Lord of Lords by God himself. But God still remains the God of gods. To remove the distinction between God and Christ and to replace God with Christ is to create a situation where we inadvertently turn Christ into an idol that is used to replace God in which case we start to fulfil this warning in scripture.

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Note the last verse 5 there. To have Christ is the form of godliness but to proclaim that Christ is God is to deny the power thereof because it is God that is the power and authority. What Christ has is what God has given him and it is backed and supported by God. Jesus came to reconcile us back to God, he did not come to reconcile us back to himself. Christ is our high Priest before God. God cannot be a Priest because there is none higher than himself that he can represent us before.

[John 8:32]

Since Jesus created all things, and He IS Lord, I believe all of the old testament references to saints referring to God as "Lord", I believe they were about Jesus. Jesus IS Lord. He always was Lord, in the OT. Then in the NT, YHVH sent His only son (the Lord) to live in the flesh and die for our sins. Jesus wasn't born on this earth, He was translated from the Father to Mary's womb. Yes, unto us a child is 'born', so to speak, but He was in existence way before this world was formed.

Originally Posted by John 8:32

...You, my friend, are stretching the truth a little in this remark.

Which of these truths do you not believe? I'll provide scriptures.

Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Mat 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Mat 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

In each of these cases the Greek word is...

G1080
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

And this quote from Isaiah pretty well says it all...

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

I think you are playing fast and loose with the truth when you say He was not born on this earth, but was translated to Mary's womb. In actuality, the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary and her egg was fertilized by the Holy Spirit and she conceived and bear (by the usual method) a Son called God with us.

P.S. And before you begin your reply, I do believe that Christ was the Word for eternity in the past. He was the one in John 1 and Col 1 one who created all things and has always live and always will live.

[Traveler]

Actually Jesus was around before his birth. Back then he was called the word of God. That was his rank and his title and his function. But keep in mind that there has always been a distinction between God and Jesus. King David referred to Jesus as his Lord but also acknowledged that his Lord had a Lord over him as well whom we know of as God the Father but is called in the Hebrew tongue Jehovah.

H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.


For example who was God talking to in this passage.

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

[John 8:32]

Actually Jesus was around before his birth. Back then he was called the word of God. That was his rank and his title and his function. But keep in mind that there has always been a distinction between God and Jesus. King David referred to Jesus as his Lord but also acknowledged that his Lord had a Lord over him as well whom we know of as God the Father but is called in the Hebrew tongue Jehovah.

H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.


For example who was God talking to in this passage.

Of course He was. He was then called the Logos, the Spokesman. He was the one who created man, talked with Adam and Eve in the garden, gave His law at Mt. Sinai, etc. Actually, a better name than Lord in the O.T. is Eternal. This describes him much better and cannot be confused with Baal.

[Michelle71]

You’re welcome.

Jesus is subservient to God/Yahweh (who is spirit), his Father. Christ is not the Father and the Father is not Christ; the Christ reveals the Father. They are two different substances. One is spirit and one is man. One is infinite and one is finite. One is master and one is servant. But they share the same identity: Yahweh. They share it so much so that when we see Jesus, we see Yahweh. Because seeing Yahweh is not about seeing what He is (i.e. substance); it’s about seeing who He is (i.e. identity): creator, judge, savior, king.

Yes. Jesus was given what was given to him by the Father.

It seems we have basically the same understanding, except that Jesus' Father and Jesus share the same identity. The reason that Jesus looks like His Father is because the Father gave Him His Spirit. The Father is seen through Jesus just like people are supposed to see Christ when the look at us. We don't share Jesus' identity, but His Spirit.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Because Christ is within, that does not mean I am Christ, only there is a representative of Him that manifests. When I look at a person's fruit in their life, and can witness Jesus in their walk, that does not mean
they are Jesus, only a representative of Him.

Isa 2:6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.

This scripture is the one to take heed of. It is wise to understand what type of practices are creeping into the church, and where the influences are coming from.

[LookingUp]

It seems we have basically the same understanding, except that Jesus' Father and Jesus share the same identity. The reason that Jesus looks like His Father is because the Father gave Him His Spirit. The Father is seen through Jesus just like people are supposed to see Christ when the look at us. We don't share Jesus' identity, but His Spirit.

It’s more profound than “looking like his Father.” NT writers applied OT passages about Yahweh to Christ. Can people apply NT passages about Christ to you or me? This would mean something more profound than we are representing Christ; we would be sharing Christ’s identity to such a degree that we, too, could be called creator, judge, savior, king, just as both Yahweh and Christ are. Are you called creator or king which are titles reserved for Yahweh alone? Christ is.

You say we look like Jesus because we share his spirit. We also share the spirit of the Father. Look at this passage:

“You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you” (Romans 8:9).

If the Spirit of God is the Spirit of the Father, then the Spirit of the Father dwells in us just like the Spirit of the Father dwells in Jesus, so why aren’t we called the radiance of God the Father and the exact representation of the Father’s nature and the image of the invisible God like Jesus is?

Let’s read it again with more:

“You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you” ((Romans 8:9-11).

Do you see how the writer uses the phrase “spirit of God” and “spirit of Christ” interchangeably?

You still haven’t commented on the FACT that the NT writers applied OT passages ABOUT YAHWEH to Jesus. Why did they do that? They gave Jesus the identity of Yahweh and you’ve chosen to disregard that. Why?

[Michelle71]

It’s more profound than “looking like his Father.” NT writers applied OT passages about Yahweh to Christ. Can people apply NT passages about Christ to you or me? This would mean something more profound than we are representing Christ; we would be sharing Christ’s identity to such a degree that we, too, could be called creator, judge, savior, king, just as both Yahweh and Christ are. Are you called creator or king which are titles reserved for Yahweh alone? Christ is.

You say we look like Jesus because we share his spirit. We also share the spirit of the Father. Look at this passage:

“You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you” (Romans 8:9).

If the Spirit of God is the Spirit of the Father, then the Spirit of the Father dwells in us just like the Spirit of the Father dwells in Jesus, so why aren’t we called the radiance of God the Father and the exact representation of the Father’s nature and the image of the invisible God like Jesus is?

Let’s read it again with more:

“You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you” ((Romans 8:9-11).

Do you see how the writer uses the phrase “spirit of God” and “spirit of Christ” interchangeably?

You still haven’t commented on the FACT that the NT writers applied OT passages ABOUT YAHWEH to Jesus. Why did they do that? They gave Jesus the identity of Yahweh and you’ve chosen to disregard that. Why?

All of scripture has to agree. Jesus is not Yahweh. Yahweh is the God above all gods, Jesus is the Word of God that Yahweh worked through for creation of all that was created.

Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Pr.8:30 clearly states the pre-incarnated spirit of Jesus was THE CRAFTSMAN AT HIS SIDE during the entire creation.

Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Gen 14:21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
Gen 14:22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In Gen.14:19 and 22, God is the creator of the heaven and the earth, confirmed in Heb.1:2, where it is properly stated, that through Jesus [The pre-incarnated spirit of Jesus], He made the universe.

Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

It is obvious who the creator was in the text of Pr.8:22-36, as well as the fact that Jesus came first.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

God knew/knows the end from the beginning, before the world was created as well as right now, as recorded in Isa.46:10. In this case, He knew a Savior would be necessary to reconcile His creation of mankind to Himself, after Satan caused his fall.

The Word of God is not the same as Yahweh

H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

Definition of Yahweh: The vocalisation Yahweh is a modern scholarly convention of the Name of God (the tetragrammaton), as it appears in Hebrew, where it is written without vowels as יהוה (YHWH). The vocalisation Jehovah comes from an earlier tradition of substituting the vowels of Adonai ("Lord"). The actual Hebrew pronunciation is not recorded. There are many theories regarding the origin and meaning of the name, and none is regarded as conclusive. The explanation given in the Hebrew bible is "I am that I am", but the most likely meaning may be "He causes to be".

If the root word for yehovah is looked up it means "self existent". The Word who became flesh is not self existent.

[Hawkins]

hey everyone, i posted this in the apologetic page but i think its the wrong place for it. i am Christian but there are some issues/questions that have kind of bothering me. if you could help me with the answers that would be great, sorry if it rambles a bit:

1.do people who never get the chance to know Christ go to hell? the doctrine i have always heard is that only those who believe in Jesus go to heaven. if that is true, what about, for example, the tribal people in Africa who live and die never hearing about Jesus? i started thinking about this because i was talking with people about the whole subject of 'predestination', and it made me think that people who live in those areas are, in a sense, predestined to go to hell since they are born never having a chance to know Christ. if they do go to hell, why would God create some people who literally have no other option than hell? seems unfair

A covenant is usually a combination of law and faith. Except those before Noah, everyone is covered by a covenant. If you never heard of Jesus Christ, you are under Noah's covenant at least and thus need to obey the "law in heart" as the Gentiles did in Jesus time, if you failed in both the faith part and the law part, so it is possible that hell is waiting.

2. is hell really eternal torture? i know its 'torment', but i always viewed it as mental tornment knowing that you ruined your chance for eternal life with God. the images of people in hell being tortured i have a hard time believing - it seems out of God's character to allow us to go there. i know the whole "we send ourselves there" argument, but it still seems out of His character

That's how Satan and his angels will be treated. If one chooses to depart from God, he will finally turn himself to just another Satan, he will no longer be a human anymore. So he may go with what Satan deserves, hell or no hell.

3. would humans have sinned without satan's temptation in the garden? the reason i ask is the doctrine i was always told is that satan was thrown out of heaven to earth. why did God send satan to where we, his prized creation, were living? if He didnt want us to sin why send satan to where we were? or is satans 'purpose' to provide an alternative to God, similar to the book of Job?

Adam lacks 2 things thus failed to live the eternity, 1) faith, he should have listened to what God says instead of Satan. 2) obedience, he should have obeyed what has been set up as commands from God. He failed and thus was driven out.

To get back in, we need the same 2 things 1) faith, 2) obedience. Every single covenant is thus about faith and law. As for the New Covenant, we need to believe in Jesus Christ and obey His teaching. Failed to do so will keep us outside God's Kingdom in Heaven and humans will finally not be humans but satans.

4. i overall struggle with the concept of the trinity. reading through the old testament God clearly says over and over that there is one God and i struggle with the three persons in one God aspect, mainly because it seems so different from anything described in the OT. i sometime think the trinity is God's manifestation in different 'realms' (father - spiritual realm, son - physical realm, holy spirit - inside humans). is there a better way to think of it?

Believe Jesus Christ first, when the time is right God will let you know His Trinity.

5. i find that often 'the water canopy'/flood is used as an answer for alot of scientific challenges against the bible. the water canopy is the pre-flood atmosphere in genesis 1:6. some examples: carbon dating isnt accurate because the water canopy/pre-flood atmosphere ages things different, skeletons of pre-evolution men (cavemen) are just the remains of the pre-flood people who lives hundreds of years, etc. are these just lazy reasons or actual explainations to these questions?

thanks

Humans are only with around 5000 years of written history, our documentary won't cover all kinds of catastrophies ever happened to this universe. So the "flood" can be anything, our science may or may not know.

[LookingUp]

All of scripture has to agree. Jesus is not Yahweh. Yahweh is the God above all gods, Jesus is the Word of God that Yahweh worked through for creation of all that was created....

Before I respond to your points, what is your response to the fact that NT writers apply OT passages about Yahweh to Jesus? This is the fourth time (I think) I’ve asked you to respond specifically to this question. If you can’t (or won’t), then I’m not sure we can (or should) discuss the other points you’ve brought up. Taking any OT passage that is SPECIFICALLY about Yahweh Himself and applying it to anyone other than Yahweh Himself is blasphemy. Don’t you agree?

[Raybob]

...I think you are playing fast and loose with the truth when you say He was not born on this earth, but was translated to Mary's womb. In actuality, the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary and her egg was fertilized by the Holy Spirit and she conceived and bear (by the usual method) a Son called God with us.

P.S. And before you begin your reply, I do believe that Christ was the Word for eternity in the past. He was the one in John 1 and Col 1 one who created all things and has always live and always will live.

He was 'born' in the sense that He came out of a womb and was a new born baby. That doesn't mean He didn't exist prior as the creator.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Who does the "us" refer to if not Jesus and YHVH in Genesis 1?


Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

[Michelle71]

Before I respond to your points, what is your response to the fact that NT writers apply OT passages about Yahweh to Jesus? This is the fourth time (I think) I’ve asked you to respond specifically to this question. If you can’t (or won’t), then I’m not sure we can (or should) discuss the other points you’ve brought up. Taking any OT passage that is SPECIFICALLY about Yahweh Himself and applying it to anyone other than Yahweh Himself is blasphemy. Don’t you agree?

Bring those passages of concern to attention please, or it's just floundering around guessing at what is meant.

[John 8:32]

He was 'born' in the sense that He came out of a womb and was a new born baby. That doesn't mean He didn't exist prior as the creator.

Of course not, but you stated He was not born but rather translated. Nope, He came into this world in the usual way. Somehow (beyond human understanding) He was reduced to the donation given by man at conception and united with the egg in Mary and was gestated for nine months and then was born.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Who does the "us" refer to if not Jesus and YHVH in Genesis 1?


Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

I have never said Christ did not exist prior to His human birth. I am telling you that He did not come into this world in any different fashion than you or I. That is how He became a High Priest...

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

[LookingUp]

Bring those passages of concern to attention please, or it's just floundering around guessing at what is meant.

All of scripture has to agree. Jesus is not Yahweh. Yahweh is the God above all gods, Jesus is the Word of God that Yahweh worked through for creation of all that was created.

Pr.8:30 clearly states the pre-incarnated spirit of Jesus was THE CRAFTSMAN AT HIS SIDE during the entire creation.

God says, “by Myself” and “all alone” I created. If God used another (i.e. “the spirit of Christ”) when creating, then that would contradict Isaiah 44:24. How do you respond to that?

It is obvious who the creator was in the text of Pr.8:22-36, as well as the fact that Jesus came first.

Why do you choose to make this proverb about Jesus? The writer tells us specifically who/what the subject is: wisdom (vs. 1). And this personified wisdom is female (vs. 1). Is Jesus female? No, he’s male.

In Gen.14:19 and 22, God is the creator of the heaven and the earth, confirmed in Heb.1:2, where it is properly stated, that through Jesus [The pre-incarnated spirit of Jesus], He made the universe.

If Yahweh used another agent other than Himself in order to create, that would contradict Isaiah 44:24. How do you respond to that?

Yahweh could not have used another agent in creating, yet it is written:

“But of the son He [Yahweh] says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, …therefore God, Your God, has anointed you…and you, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundations of the earth” (Hebrews 1:8-10).

Hebrews 1:10-12 is an example of an OT passage about Yahweh ("LORD") that's applied to Jesus.

This is only one example of an OT passage about Yahweh that’s applied to Jesus. I’m curious to know from you how many examples of this kind are required by you in order to recognize that NT writers took OT passages about Yahweh and applied them to Jesus? (Just curious).

If the root word for yehovah is looked up it means "self existent". The Word who became flesh is not self existent.

My word is not the same physical substance as me, but my words express, reveal, expose me in a more profound way than gazing upon my physical form ever could. Jesus, God’s word, is not the same substance as Yahweh (Jesus is a man); but Jesus, God’s word, expresses, reveals, exposes Yahweh in a more profound way than gazing upon God’s spiritual form ever could. Jesus is Yahweh in a similar way that my words are me. The point of the existence of Jesus is to reveal Yahweh to us and that’s it (John 1:18). The point of my words is to reveal me (not someone else) and that’s it. Jesus doesn’t have an identity distinct from Yahweh just as my words don’t have an identity distinct from me (my words point to me and me alone). My words identify me; God’s word, Jesus, identifies Him.

[Raybob]

God says, “by Myself” and “all alone” I created. If God used another (i.e. “the spirit of Christ”) when creating, then that would contradict Isaiah 44:24. How do you respond to that?...

Who does the bible say is God?

In the beginning was the Word, ...and the Word was God. T... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(Joh 1:1-14)