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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke34 View Post
    I know, they're so smug about not wanting to be persecuted under a horribly oppressive law by their own government! What's their deal, right?
    The issue of how the law plays out in Uganda is not the topic. This is only about whether a foreign group can legally sue an American for actions or words not even carried out in the country itself. Pretty doubtful that could occur.

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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by NHL Fever View Post
    The issue of how the law plays out in Uganda is not the topic. This is only about whether a foreign group can legally sue an American for actions or words not even carried out in the country itself. Pretty doubtful that could occur.
    Actually, Lively DID travel to Uganda. He met with the legislators weeks before they crafted the law(s).

    This is an informative article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/wo...anda.html?_r=1

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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Let's be honest, this is only news because it's a Christian who is condemning homosexuality.

    Gays are routinely stoned to death is Arab and Muslim countries. Who cares?
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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Let's be honest, this is only news because it's a Christian who is condemning homosexuality.

    Gays are routinely stoned to death is Arab and Muslim countries. Who cares?
    Oh, I agree. But we "expect" that from Muslims - that's all a part of their religious views/practice. But Christians are supposed to be forgiving. I don't know what type of government structure Uganda has but I don't think it's a religious based one as most of the Muslim countries are.

    Not sure if that made sense or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    Oh, I agree. But we "expect" that from Muslims
    So we tolerate barbarity because we have low expectations of Muslims?
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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    So we tolerate barbarity because we have low expectations of Muslims?
    Yep. That's EXACTLY what I said.

    Twist. Turn.

    Whatever.

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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    Yep. That's EXACTLY what I said.

    Twist. Turn.

    Whatever.
    rereading your post. Yup, that's what you said.
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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Fenris, I am not a Muslin by choice. I do not live in Muslim counties by choice. I think their way of life is very restrictive, especially for women.

    That does not mean I have a right to tell THEM how to live. I live where I do for a reason.

    Does that help you at all?

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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    Fenris, I am not a Muslin by choice. I do not live in Muslim counties by choice. I think their way of life is very restrictive, especially for women.
    Well, that's one way to put it...

    That does not mean I have a right to tell THEM how to live.
    So you're cool with Muslims oppressing other Muslims? It's only a "crime against humanity" when a Christian carries it out?
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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Well, that's one way to put it...

    So you're cool with Muslims oppressing other Muslims? It's only a "crime against humanity" when a Christian carries it out?
    I have no right to tell them how to live. They have no right to tell me how to live.

    It's that basic in my mind.

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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    I have no right to tell them how to live.
    Even when they're carrying out crimes against humanity.

    Ohhkay.
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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Even when they're carrying out crimes against humanity.

    Ohhkay.
    Have it your way, Fenris. You always manage to.

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    A spirit is characterized not only in what it does, but, no less, by what it permits, what it forgives, and what it beholds in silence.
    -Rabbi Baeck

    Apparently nowadays we are willing to behold great crimes in silence in the name of "multiculturalism."
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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    The legislation was greatly influenced by the Americans visit. So I do.
    You're doing the same thing the CCR is doing: ascribing an outlandish level of power and influence of a foreign individual over the Ugandan government. One more time....the OP concerns the foolishness of charging someone with "crimes against humanity" for preaching against a sexual sin that is the primary cause of the AIDS epidemic in Africa. And frankly, anyone who sees the validity of that ridiculous premise is not someone I feel I can have a rational or fruitful exchange with.

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    Re: LGBT lawyers sue American pastor for "crimes agaist humanity" in Uganda

    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    Actually, Lively DID travel to Uganda. He met with the legislators weeks before they crafted the law(s).

    This is an informative article:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/wo...anda.html?_r=1
    That's interesting and all, but the government is the one who decided to make the laws as harsh as they did. Lively didn't recommend that they should do that. He has every right to have, and express, his view of homosexuality. He's not responsible for what Uganda decides to do in regards to crafting laws to run their country.

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