ETERNAL TORMENT - IMAGE OR REALITY?

[John 8:32]

Hi Robert,

Why do you think God didn't have the discernment to warn Adam and Eve about eternal torment so they would have never dreamed of giving up their garden paradise? All He said was "dust thou art..." which of course would cause anyone in paradise with half a reasoning mind to stop bearing fruit and start desiring annihilation. And I'm sure that's why every person on death row just can't wait to get their injection.

You are not supposing that just what is recounted in Gen 1, 2 and 3 are all that happened are you? There is a principle given in John...

Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

God give us just what we need here, not everything that was said and done.

[Vanderhoven7]

Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Jesus laid the greater guilt on the Father.

You need to repent of your accusation against God. Until then, you need not bother to attempt to engage me in further discussion.

[John 8:32]

You need to repent of your accusation against God. Until then, you need not bother to attempt to engage me in further discussion.

I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

[Vanderhoven7]

I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

No request was made.

[Robert Callow]

Hi Robert,

Why do you think God didn't have the discernment to warn Adam and Eve about eternal torment so they would have never dreamed of giving up their garden paradise?

It doesn't look at all like you are willing to take notice of what is being said Vander, otherwise you would not have asked me that question. I have already tried to explain to you that I see the Bible and the Spirit clearly speaking of a lesser damnation of everlasting death for those least knowledgeable and least offensive of the damned. I don't think I can say much more to you without repeating myself, but I ought to mention a few things again especially this: Unless a man puts his trust in the written Word of God and in the Spirit of truth, then his reasoning and conclusions will continue to be in error.

All He said was "dust thou art..." which of course would cause anyone in paradise with half a reasoning mind to stop bearing fruit and start desiring annihilation. And I'm sure that's why every person on death row just can't wait to get their injection.

There are some who see and are saved and there some who remain blind and lost, and there are others who see and want to be damned.

The ones who know the meaning of the Spirit of truth and still keep seeking to torment and destroy this Spirit shall, like everyone else, be given according to their needs, and because of their endless need to offend what keeps the mind free from living by lies and delusion, they are evil beyond hope. Their endless need will bring endless conflict with the self and with others, and what they bring upon themselves will be an everlasting warning to everyone for all eternity: Never go down that insane road of pride and rebellion again. Their torments will serve as part of the ultimate safeguard for good, and endless joy in free and endless creation will be offended no more.



Best wishes and see you soon

[Vanderhoven7]

Hi Robert,

I am floored that you responded to the utter nonsense of my last post to you. Good effort on your part.

But you are right. We are not really understanding each other.

So let's leave it at that on this subject then. ;^)

Blessings in Christ

[Robert Callow]

I am floored that you responded to the utter nonsense of my last post to you. Good effort on your part.

Just one more thing for now Vander, why did you post utter nonsense when there is an urgent need to speak and reveal the truth?


Could it be that you seek to confuse?

[Vanderhoven7]

Just one more thing for now Vander, why did you post utter nonsense when there is an urgent need to speak and reveal the truth?


Could it be that you seek to confuse?

No, only to reveal. Let it rest.

[Robert Callow]

Let it rest.

As you so wish Vander, providing no one else here is going to try and ridicule, criticise or condemn what I've written.


Freedom is the freedom to choose paradise or the lake of fire. Thus speaks the God of reason.

[Vanderhoven7]

As you so wish Vander, providing no one else here is going to try and ridicule, criticise or condemn what I've written.

That sounds fair enough.