What is the main reason some DO NOT submit to God?

[Fenris]

Look, if you had come with a contrite spirit, and if you were not summarily sweeping away the authority of the NT with your glib, knowing comments,

So now saying that the bible might be unconvincing to someone is attacking it's authority?

you would not have been treated like this.

So now it's acceptable to behave rudely to someone because they disagree with you? Is that in the bible too?

Now you want a pity party. If only Eyelog had been nicer, this time, in your personal 1 billionth post on this site, you finally would have given in and believed on Jesus.

Give us a break, please.

Well now we'll never know, will we?

But if you want increased civility, quit demanding your right to spew your lies about Christ and His Word as nonchallantly as you sneeze in your hankerchief.

Again. Saying that someone might find the bible, any bible, unconvincing, is "spewing lies about Christ"? How does that follow?

On the other hand, as unbeautiful as you think it makes me, your only hope is to encounter someone who won't be dunned by your knowing inuendos. You, the erudite Rabbi, who just so happens to be an expert on the NT he says convinces him of little.

Frankly, all that says is you don't understand it. But that's not suprising. Being a Rabbi does not come with annointing to read what only the HS elucidates.

You have so much knowledge, apparently. Yet, you think being 'convinced' is an intellectual enterprise. No. It is surrender to the Lord, letting Him have His way with your mind.

Only then might you have eyes to see, friend.

I never claimed to be a rabbi.

[MaryFreeman]

Yup. I said "any bible" several times.

Nope.

My thoughts exactly.... Yet many people do not come to God and submit themselves to His authority because they remain "unconvinced".... Which I can see.... But mostly it is just because we are stupid fleshly twirps who want to be our own gods.... Can you agree with that?

[Eyelog]

I never claimed to be a rabbi.

Nor did you deny it. You still haven't denied it. Well, are you? What are you?

[Fenris]

My thoughts exactly.... Yet many people do not come to God and submit themselves to His authority because they remain "unconvinced".... Which I can see.... But mostly it is just because we are stupid fleshly twirps who want to be our own gods.... Can you agree with that?

I think people can have many motivations for rejecting the bible.

[Fenris]

Nor did you deny it.

I also didn't deny being a three-headed space alien, I guess that's also a possibility.

You still haven't denied it. Well, are you?

No, I am not.

[MaryFreeman]

So now saying that the bible might be unconvincing to someone is attacking it's authority?

NO... It is not.

So now it's acceptable to behave rudely to someone because they disagree with you? Is that in the bible too?

No.... And no....

Well now we'll never know, will we?

I hope we will in spite of the behavior of misguided humans....

Again. Saying that someone might find the bible, any bible, unconvincing, is "spewing lies about Christ"? How does that follow?

No sir....

I never claimed to be a rabbi.

I believe you to be....

[MaryFreeman]

I think people can have many motivations for rejecting the bible.

Do you equate the bible (your bible) with Gods authority?

[MaryFreeman]

I also didn't deny being a three-headed space alien, I guess that's also a possibility.

[Fenris]

Do you equate the bible (your bible) with Gods authority?

Umm yes. But that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't believe it is willfully rejecting God.

[MaryFreeman]

Umm yes. But that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't believe it is willfully rejecting God.

Well yes it does.... But that is beside the point of my question....

I merely wanted to understand why you mention the bible when I mention Gods authority.... That's all....

By your own admission your bible is Gods authority.... Anyone who willfully rejects it is indeed willfully rejecting God and His authority.... It really is simple.... Even if they don't realize that is what they are doing.... It is....

[Eyelog]

So now saying that the bible might be unconvincing to someone is attacking it's authority?

Again. Saying that someone might find the bible, any bible, unconvincing, is "spewing lies about Christ"? How does that follow?

Dyslexia?

It's not saying the Bible is "unconvincing" which in the least is a problem here. It is not saying it is "unconvincing" which I view as 'attacking the authority of the NT,' though understand such a would-be attack does not cause me to register some kind of a personal offense.

Rather, it's YOUR statements saying the NT is unauthoritative, that my cites are out of context and your implication that God would be unjust to require salvation by Christ alone, which I refused to let go. Then, after you sweepingly dismiss things, you say those issues are not up for discussion. Whatever.

[Fenris]

By your own admission your bible is Gods authority.... Anyone who willfully rejects it is indeed willfully rejecting God and His authority.... It really is simple.... Even if they don't realize that is what they are doing.... It is....

No it's not. ". Even if they don't realize that is what they are doing..." means it's not willful.

[Eyelog]

So now it's acceptable to behave rudely to someone because they disagree with you? Is that in the bible too?

Didn't you read the Scripture in my post #39? Yes. Jesus was quite rude to both the Sadduces and the churches, not to mention the money changers in the temple, etc., etc., etc.

To reduce it to 'because they disagree' is what you would call, "oversimplificiation," to say the least.

[Fenris]

Dislexia?

Now we're moving on to personal insults?

It's not saying the Bible is "unconvincing" which in the least is a problem here. It is not saying it is "unconvincing" which I view as 'attacking the authority of the NT,' though understand such a would-be attack does not cause me to register some kind of a personal offense.

Rather, it's YOUR statements saying the NT is unauthoritative, that my cites are out of context and your implication that God would be unjust to require salvation by Christ alone, which I refused to let go. Then, after you sweepingly dismiss things, you say those issues are not up for discussion. Whatever.

The authority of the NT was not the topic of the discussion until you dragged it in.

[Fenris]

Didn't you read the Scripture in my post #39? Yes. Jesus was quite rude to both the Sadduces and the churches, not to mention the money changers in the temple, etc., etc., etc.

I think you should discuss this with other Christians. Most seem to find politeness a virtue. Certainly those here seem to.

To reduce it to 'because they disagree' is what you would call, "oversimplificiation," to say the least.

Ok, so now your disagreement with me is equated to Jesus disagreeing with the Saducees? Someone has a mighty high opinion of himself.