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I would say don't sacrifice your authority with the child because of your own fears and timidness. Love with confidence not panic.
It's my understand that a metaphor gives the mindset or representative properties to something from something else.
i.e. the Holy Spirit is like a dove
To say the punishment for said act should be like a punch is inaccurate
Deadpan Snarker
Abusers often say it's out of love. Doesn't make them any less abusive.Originally Posted by Reynolds357
If you responded to a 911 call for assault and came upon a boy with a black eye or a fat lip, and his father says it was his punishment for "acting gay", I would expect you to do your job and affect an arrest.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Deadpan Snarker
This line is so good it should be a sig.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Do you think the biblical referenced "rod" was what we consider a spanking today?
Deadpan Snarker
The bible also says that people who commit homosexual acts should get the death penalty. Does that still apply today? Should it?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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We are now mixing two entirely different concepts. We are mixing limitations of the law of man vs. discussion of what we believe to be scriptural discipline. As a police officer, I will enforce the laws of the State of Georgia. As a biblical student, the laws of the State of Georgia do not affect my theology. There is the academic side of this discussion and there is the practical side of this discussion.
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Well Fenris, If I were the dictator of the United States, I would impose that law. I also think rape, beastiality, and many other offenses should be on that list. However, within our current system of democracy, that is not the will of the people; so I fully respect our laws as written.
I never co-mingle the way I think it ideally should be and the way it is. To be honest with you Fenris, there are many points of Sharia law that I like.
Deadpan Snarker
So you approve of beating gay children but think anyone who does it should be arrested. Interesting position to take.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
No. .
Unhappy is he who mistakes the branch for the tree, the shadow for the substance.
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Hello all,
I just want to say to everyone to keep their comments in line. This pastor's style may not be to my liking (at least not this little clip) but that is my own personal preference. If it had been me speaking, I would have worded things differently - and used a different tone of voice. I agree there is a time and place for spanking a child, but I would have worded the message differently. A spanking should not be called or confused with punching (and the pastor was probably just using some exagerrated speech here - which he should be more careful of).
And what is a 'gay' action of a child? Most children probably would not know they are doing anything wrong, if they are doing anything wrong at all. Children need to be taught first. Spanking is for willful disobedience by a child. Spanking is not the first response - teaching is. If a child is doing something you believe is wrong - tell them. I think this pastor got a little too carried away with himself. It wouldn't be the first time that kind of thing has happened, but this is just my opinion.
It all depends on the cheery picker, does it not?
Unhappy is he who mistakes the branch for the tree, the shadow for the substance.
Deadpan Snarker
Hmm who's cherrypicking?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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After reading todays comments I would like to share this. Abuse falls into exasperation (Ephesians 6:4). This usually comes with the teen years of the child. Ever try to work with a child who has been exasperated? I have one who will literally smack his face into a door to show marks when the police arrive. You can't abuse, you can't even set a set of rules that are too restrictive. You can't beat them at their own game. Kill them with kindness. Show them how their actions hurt others. When my father put me in a dress to parade in out side in front of God and everybody at the age of seven, I realize that at that moment I wasn't going to be playing with Barbie any longer. I changed because I was embarassed of what others would think of me and what they may think of this house and those that lived there. I may have hated my dad for being strong like he was, but there were others in the home that I loved. No matter how disobedient a child gets, it hurts everyone to see a loved one get hurt.
So being the most liked person where I live because I serve everyone without bias (even the out of line teenager) when their behavior like leaving the seat down on the toilet when they shouldn't affects me, I let them know how it endangers me. I go a bit overboard on the dangers I faced, and even explain with humor how I will now have to get a wire brush to clean my backside and probably be scared for life trying to clean myself from someone else's failure to do the simplest of task. I will also end with a sad and emotional seriousness of how I feel hurt because I was caught in the middle of what seems to be a battle of revenge, which in most cases is what direct disobedience is all about.
You don't beat anyone. You can't even beat them at their own game. All of this becomes a pride issue. When you try these approaches you only say to God and yourself, "I will show them all who is smarter!" Are you really willing to stand up to God and say that? Follow the biblical standards and do what is pleasing to Him and not yourself. Everything else will take care of itself. I will say this, if by the age of 9 if you have not instilled good values and beliefs into that child, you are not going too. From there you have to turn it over to God.
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I guess it would all depend on exactly how we define "beat."
Deadpan Snarker
Pastor says "punch", hey.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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