'You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. In the name of God, go!''
- Winston Churchill quoting Cromwell
"Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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For a person who is a homosexual or a lesbian to be sanctified before God, then they have to turn away from sin the same as any person must turn from any sin. Sanctification brings about the changing in the mind and this result in the changing in the lifestyle of Christians. They stop doing what is sinful and they start doing what is righteous before God. In the scriptures both Old Testament and New Testament we read that sexual relation between same-sex people is sinful. Romans 1: 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due (NKJV). If any Christian who is homosexual or a lesbian and who truly desire to be sanctified before God and not be considered as “worshiping and serving the creature” or described as having “vile passions” or considered to have “left the natural use of” or to continue in “burning in lust for one another” and are “committing what is shameful” and finally, “receive the penalty of their error”. If sanctification is what they truly seek, then they need to STOP and turn away from this sin the same as ANY Christian must stop and turn away from any sin that is preventing continued sanctification before God.
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God's truth, into gospel opinion which can be completely uplifting based
on the charismatic talent of the speaker, but lacks the transforming
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Foremost is love. If you love your child, you will discipline him.
The thing I find interesting is the use of the term rod. In scripture, we may view a rod as either a stick, or pole, or we may view it as a measurement. Therefore the rod could be a measuring stick.
When we know that discipline can take many forms from a smack on the behind to rod across the back, I would much rather read this passage as " Out of love for the child, give him a measured discipline.
I'll add my two cents in here as well.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
The Good Shepherd knows what to do with a rod - He guides with it.
I have no idea why anyone would consider a "punch" as a comfort. do any of you?
I don't know what bothers me more - the fact that he could have meant literal "punch" or the fact that his mindset was "punch" as a metaphor.
To me, "punch" elicits thoughts of impulse aggression...that doesn't seem like the model of controlled correction I'm looking for.
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness.
I don't see a single word in that whole list that could be construed as "punch".
2. Jesus examples were plain for all to see, that's why he got up the Pharisee's noses, he sat an ate with the sinners, he didn't condone them but neither did he ostracise them. Everything he did was in love and there's no indication that he gave Mary Magdalene a clump before she came to understand the truth.
3. How many of us would react well when we have fallen from grace by a punch? It was the love and forgiveness of Christ that was the revelation, before Christ came, sin was dealt with by aggression, look at the 'who will cast the first stone' story. And in all things LOVE. I Praise God for his patience and 70 x 7 forgiveness and I am not going to rattle his cage by standing in judgement of others. There but by the Grace of God go I.
So as someone else said "Hate the sin Love the sinner"
My last thought, everybody by now must know that even dogs respond better to kindness and encouragement, aggression only makes them fearful and more likely to misbehave, so how much more would that apply to our children, what child will go back to his father saying he made the same mistake again if he thought he would get another punch, would we go to the foot of the cross time and again if we thought that a punch was awaiting us?
I have waffled on as females do and sorry about the grammer etc.
with love in Christ ............................................
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I merely indicated that the New Testament calls homosexuality sin, as you incorrectly thought that there weren't any verses in New Testament scripture that showed that. I never indicated that we shouldn't love homosexuals or that they have committed the "unforgivable sin" by being gay or that other sins are somehow "less sinful" than homosexuality. The problem that I often see with some Christians when it comes to homosexuality is that they see things as all or nothing. For some Christians, you are guilty of "hating" gays when you call homosexuality sin while other Christians believe that you "condone" homosexuality when you don't treat gays like they've committed the "unforgivable sin." Come on, people. There is a more balanced approach to things. Yes, homosexuality is sin. It's a perversion of the way God created sex to be experienced. Sex is to be enjoyed between one man and one woman. Nothing else. Not men with men or women with women. However, the sin of homosexuality is not the "unforgivable sin." That sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Pharisees became guilty of such a sin when they treated the Holy Spirit with such contempt when Jesus performed miracles that they stated Christ did supernatural things by the power of Satan. It was the ultimate insult to God to equate something so holy and good with something so vile and wicked. The Pharisees' complete hardness of heart to be able to slander the Holy Spirit the way they did was what made their sin unforgivable to God.
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