NC Pator Sean Harris says Parents should "Punch" their gay acting children...

[GitRDunn]

The Bible tells us unrepentant sinners and that includes the abomination (God's words, not mine) of homosexuality will suffer eternal torment and separation from God. If you hate them, keep apologizing for their sin. If you love them, tell them the truth.

No one is saying that homosexuality is ok. What is being said is that punching the child does no one any good. We're not talking about telling the truth about homosexuals, we are talking about literally beating a child who may or may not even have homosexual tendencies.

[keck553]

No one is saying that homosexuality is ok. What is being said is that punching the child does no one any good. We're not talking about telling the truth about homosexuals, we are talking about literally beating a child who may or may not even have homosexual tendencies.

I already stated my thoughts on that Portion of the discussion.

[Vhayes]

It would appear you believe a change in the priesthood coddles sin. That is a false teaching.

Would you please clarify your statement for me?

If you are calling me a false teacher, then please do so in plain language. If you are not, then please refrain from innuendo.

[Vhayes]

The Bible tells us unrepentant sinners and that includes the abomination (God's words, not mine) of homosexuality will suffer eternal torment and separation from God. If you hate them, keep apologizing for their sin. If you love them, tell them the truth.

I DO tell them the truth. I have never said homosexuality is just hunky-dory. Not ever. But "Christians" are waaaay over board on this one - why not be overboard in regard to other sins as well?

God will judge unbelievers. For their UNBELIEF.

[Vhayes]

What did Jesus coming have to do with rearing Children. If we "forgive" the wrongdoing of our Children without correcting their behavior, we are not demonstrating love for them; we are demonstrating laziness.

I don't know. I wondered the same thing when keck brought it up. Maybe you should ask him since his post started that line of questioning/thought.

[aftertheflood]

And I have yet to see anyone offer a salient argument as to why a little girl acting like a tom boy or a little boy playing with doll is sinful behavior?????

[keck553]

Would you please clarify your statement for me?

If you are calling me a false teacher, then please do so in plain language. If you are not, then please refrain from innuendo.

Your reference to "new covenant" appears to be a defense for God allowing sin . If this is not the intent of your post in context to your response to my question "is God douleminded" then please be clear about your context. What you posted appeared to be an apologetic for the proposition that God changed his mind about sin. If it is not then please explain what you are trying to say.

Anything that points to the appearance that God tolerates what he describes as an abomination is false.

Now I agree that teaching ethics of Christ yo an unbeliever is useless but we are talking about believers in this thread

[keck553]

I DO tell them the truth. I have never said homosexuality is just hunky-dory. Not ever. But "Christians" are waaaay over board on this one - why not be overboard in regard to other sins as well?

God will judge unbelievers. For their UNBELIEF.

Way overboard? Now who is judging ?

What does Jesus teach about believers who don't abide in his commands in John 15?

Believers bear fruit in keeping with repentance
If we don't love him we don't abide in him. That IS unbelief

[Vhayes]

Way overboard? Now who is judging ?

What does Jesus teach about believers who don't abide in his commands in John 15?

Believers bear fruit in keeping with repentance
If we don't love him we don't abide in him. That IS unbelief

When was the last time you read a post or heard anyone decrying the heinousness of good Christian folk having to accept gluttons as their equals?

For cryin' out loud, homosexuals that I know are NOT Christians. And if they are not Christians, it is not my place to judge them. Period.

[Vhayes]

Your reference to "new covenant" appears to be a defense for God allowing sin . If this is not the intent of your post in context to your response to my question "is God douleminded" then please be clear about your context. What you posted appeared to be an apologetic for the proposition that God changed his mind about sin. If it is not then please explain what you are trying to say.

Anything that points to the appearance that God tolerates what he describes as an abomination is false.

Now I agree that teaching ethics of Christ yo an unbeliever is useless but we are talking about believers in this thread

Really? I didn't see that stated anywhere.

[Reynolds357]

All that's in question here, is the way of correction.

Different children respond to different methods of correction.
The only one that usually worked on me was the application of a hickory to my rear end and legs. When I was younger, I did not care what made my parents happy. I did not care how much reasoning you did with me. The only thing that would correct my behavior was the application of pain. My grandmother thought she could correct me without whipping me. When I turned her kitchen table over and broke all the legs off of it while she was outside feeding the dog, she decided that maybe a hickory switch would work better on me than talking.

[TomH]

Different children respond to different methods of correction.
The only one that usually worked on me was the application of a hickory to my rear end and legs. When I was younger, I did not care what made my parents happy. I did not care how much reasoning you did with me. The only thing that would correct my behavior was the application of pain. My grandmother thought she could correct me without whipping me. When I turned her kitchen table over and broke all the legs off of it while she was outside feeding the dog, she decided that maybe a hickory switch would work better on me than talking.

Yes, but I've always felt that you're the exception to the rule.

As a matter of fact, when I looked up the origins to that phrase, "exception to the rule", it had your picture in the upper right!

[Reynolds357]

Yes, but I've always felt that you're the exception to the rule.

As a matter of fact, when I looked up the origins to that phrase, "exception to the rule", it had your picture in the upper right!

Yes sir, thats me.
When I was a child, I loved animals. I did not care too much for people, but I loved animals. I would have rather hung out all day with my animals than with people. I had a good father and a wonderful mother. I did not care very much if I pleased or displeased them. The major deciding factor in my behavioral choices was weight of consequences. Thankfully, my son is absolutely nothing like I was.

[claybevan]

Different children respond to different methods of correction.
The only one that usually worked on me was the application of a hickory to my rear end and legs. When I was younger, I did not care what made my parents happy. I did not care how much reasoning you did with me. The only thing that would correct my behavior was the application of pain. My grandmother thought she could correct me without whipping me. When I turned her kitchen table over and broke all the legs off of it while she was outside feeding the dog, she decided that maybe a hickory switch would work better on me than talking.

I agree that different children respond to different measures, I have three grown up sons and I needed a different manual for each of them and there were times when I had to go and kick the cooker instead of them.
Was that really what brought you round, I don't say that in an incredulous way, just wondered wether there were other factors that brought about your reform.
Had they not used the rod do you think you would still be an angry man or do you think all that table throwing would of eventually worked it's way out of your system?
I'm a redhead or was and I had a fearful temper, sometimes my face got as red as my hair but I didn't get my temper knocked out of me, it just all seemed a bit pointless in the end, especially when my tantrums kept being ignored and I just got loved back. We do obviously have to correct wrong behaviour in our children but if what the original post said, is applied in general, an awful amount of damage could be done to a gentle or fearful child.
Nothing to do with your story at all but I think of all the beatings and punishments that the catholic priests and nuns dished out in the name of correction (yes I know it wasn't done in love) but all that did was to cause anger, resentment and worse. I can't think that love shows itself in aggression. I guess we all have our different ways and we will have to agree to disagree.
A sister in Christ

[keck553]

When was the last time you read a post or heard anyone decrying the heinousness of good Christian folk having to accept gluttons as their equals?

For cryin' out loud, homosexuals that I know are NOT Christians. And if they are not Christians, it is not my place to judge them. Period.

When is the last time you saw gluttons demand to be married in a church? When is the last time you read about gluttons protest against Target so they would embrace their sin? When is the last time gluttons demanded that our public school system embrace their sin and teach their behaviour is "normal?"

Maybe if LBGT folks would stop highlighting their sin publically and pushing their illness down our throats they wouldn't be memtioned any more than gluttons are. They chose to be noticed.