Now it is time to get back to the ORIGINAL POST....
The question is would Adam have sinned if there was no serpent?
"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.
All of this is recorded in the first four chapters of the first book of our bibles, folks.
Paradise, Heaven(singular), both of these things mean; what is where surrounds God's presence(where God is).
I think Fenris knows this, I think he just plays with your lack of memory and/or study.
This place you called down here: earth, is God's fallen garden He chose this place of all the places He created, He chose this place to build a garden for His throne to rest on. The throne He will rule all of the heavens and this Earth from upon.
He created man later on the last day of His creating, and He did create man to be a tender to this garden His throne will rest to rule earth and its creatures from and to rule all of His other creations in the heavens(plural) from too, but eternally.
The place you called: down here, as if we were cast down here....
We were not cast down here, we were created from here, to tend here His garden, and someday again His eternal throne here too.
I am honored to live even in this fallen garden which will some day be His throne an home to all of His creations here and in the heavens(plural), again, but eternally.
He could have just pronounce man dead when man disobeyed and turn good function into dysfunction, He could have just quickly killed man and raised His garden from fallen to rest His throne here again with nothing remaining fallen, and eternally.
But He did stay, He left here and did not kill us, He left His now still fallen garden so we could live and not die and wait for our redemption to returning to full-function to tend here this un-fallen/fully-functioning good garden of all gardens.
He just made plan for man to be redeemed so He could come here again with His throne in the garden, keeping us as intended to tend His favorite place made into a garden as the seat for His throne to rule all His creatures and all of His other creations in the heavens(plural)
Father bless those who look to you, but have mercy on all of us to glorify your name.
First, Adam and Eve were created without sin or a sin nature. They were actually perfect creations. But then again so was satan and he fell.
You have two things going against Adam and Eve though: one being satan an active tempter and the tree they were forbidden to eat from which was a passive temptation.
How many days did they choose to not eat from the tree? Would they have done so eventually just as satan eventually made his fateful decision to rebel against God? Who can say?
But they had two things going for them: one they were created perfect and without sin or the sin nature and two, they had the closest relationship with god that anyone has ever had other than Jesus Himself - before the fall that is.
Like you, I don't know the answer. While God foresaw this and planned accordingly, He did not bring it about. God's sovereignty is sometimes like time travel.
new season... Let the games begin!
I do not chisel anything in stone so correct me where wrong.
Isaiah 64:6 "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags"
Ecclesiastes 7:20 "For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. "
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
Romans 8:6 "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. "
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