Is sanctification an event, a process, or both?

[glad4mercy]

I'd hope that's all of us. "Practical holiness" isn't God sanctifying. It's the believer manifesting God's complete sanctification.

Yes.

Yes.

Working out what God works in!

I think I will end my part of the discussion with that, but I will continue to follow the thread. Reps to everyone!!!

[Noeb]

I have already explained it.

If you had we wouldn't be here.

Here goes once more and then we are done.

sanc·ti·fy

2.
to purify or free from sin: Sanctify your hearts.

That is not what this means

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

At conversion a sinner repents and believes the gospel and is sanctified (See definition 1) the sinner is born again.

good

Now the regenerated sinner begins a life of hollines (see definition 2)

Definition #2 is fine before the colon.

by abiding in Christ

What does this mean to you?

and renewing his mind by the Holy Spirit revealing truth to him from the word of God.

Are you getting this from these?

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

If so, what makes you think that is a process?

Now if you could explain to me what you believe sanctification is and how it works maybe we can resolve this issue.

I agree with the normal, simple, standing definition repeated in the thread. I think we all do.
How it works if where we will probably disagree. I say it works by faith in Christ and him crucified, the power of God, which naturally includes my death, burial, and resurrection with him to newness of life -old passed away. How else would you suggest we walk in sanctification and honor?

[Noeb]

Working out what God works in!

Ah! Close! Working out what God worked in!

I think I will end my part of the discussion with that, but I will continue to follow the thread. Reps to everyone!!!

Thank you for the discussion and your kind heart! Reps back atchya!

[Noeb]

I'm not sure I understand the difference between progressive sanctification and progressive holiness...the words, holy and sanctify, are very closely related.

W

You find progressive holiness in scripture. Close isn't the same. Close is, well, just close.

[glad4mercy]

God does one positionally, we do the other by faith through him in our experience, but the experience is merely a realization or manifestation of what he originally did positionally, which never changes. We change, our position does not.

I think this one hits the nail on the head, ( except I would say that it is not us but the Spirit who does the latter part as we submit to Him, but I figure that's probably what you meant). As long as we are in Christ and abiding in Him, we are Holy before God, not because of good that we have done, but because of what Jesus has done. So when we are in Christ, we are holy in HIM. As we grow in Him, the reality of who we are in Christ should become more and more evident by the fruit of our lives.

Growing in Christlikeness always produces more fruit; love, joy, peace, etc...

John 15: I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. ² Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.


I broke my word on ending my part, ( I always do...) . I should just stop saying that. Thanks again all.

[Noeb]

Well I deleted it and re-wrote it because I read

I'm not sure I understand the difference between sanctification and progressive holiness
not
I'm not sure I understand the difference between progressive sanctification and progressive holiness

Sorry!

I agree with everything else you said though

[glad4mercy]

Ah! Close! Working out what God worked in!

Thank you for the discussion and your kind heart! Reps back atchya!

Thank you for the edifying discussion and for your kindness as well, Noeb.

Thanks to all.

[Watchman]

You find progressive holiness in scripture. Close isn't the same. Close is, well, just close.

That is a political answer...which is no answer at all. What, in your view, is the difference between sanctification and holiness?

Thanks,

W

[Noeb]

The love of God constrains us.

How do you say that, which is this

KJV- 2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

ESV -2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died;

After you say this

So we are dead in Christ and died with Him...yet we continue to die daily.

having no scripture to back it up?

[Noeb]

That is a political answer...which is no answer at all. What, in your view, is the difference between sanctification and holiness?

Thanks,

W

God sanctifying us, and how we live are two completely separate things. Holiness is the effect, not the cause. Sanctification is the cause of the effect.

and what's political about the truth of the matter? Modern Christianity is built on a concept not found in scripture. Progressive holiness is progressive and takes time. Didn't take God long to sanctify you. Didn't take long to sanctify the temple furniture. Sanctifying something is not a 20 year process, which is why you won't find today's long process of sanctification in scripture. My answer is the answer, because the answer is the way of escape, and the way of escape is able to keep you from falling all the time every time. It's not dependent on a variable of principles you have or have not qualified on a particular day.

[Watchman]

What is the difference between the Greek words for holy and sanctified?

[Noeb]

What difference does it make? They are used where they are used because that is how God used them for our learning. You already know the difference. Sanctified is made holy, holy is holy.

[Nobunaga]

If you had we wouldn't be here.

Ok.... but it's only you thats here.

That is not what this means

Those were dictionary definition cut and pasted the link was provided also, if you dont accept them and choose to define your own words..what can i do ? language becomes meaningless and reason goes out the window.


So i take it you voted for option 1 ?

[Nobunaga]

What is the difference between the Greek words for holy and sanctified?

Dont know about Greek but in Hebrew its the same root word.

Sanctify ...... Holy

Good question.

[episkopos]

How do you say that, which is this

KJV- 2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

ESV -2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died;

After you say this

having no scripture to back it up?

1Co_15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Mat_16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Jesus leads us into MORE death, or at least a constant death...that more life might be made manifest in us.


2Co_4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

So a constant carrying of the cross is a process of bearing the type of fruit that only those who are dead to themselves and alive to Christ can produce.