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Thank you for some information I did not put together. I did not realize that the revolt of 132 AD was dealt with more brutally than 70 AD. Makes us realize how much more we should...Originally Posted by Fenris
Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.
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Vanderhoven said: The days of vengeance..i.e. trampling, the sword, the dispersing would not end until the vengeance against "this people" for denying/killing their Messiah, was fully accomplished.
What's your point?
Not according to Act chapter 2 and chapter 3
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: ...
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 3:
13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
I've got a book you should read. It's called , the Bible.
Luk 20:13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.
Luk 20:14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.
Luk 20:15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?
Luk 20:16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
Luk 20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
Luk 20:18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Luk 20:19 And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.
Why would you think God shallow for taking vengeance on Christ rejectors?
2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
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Unfortunately (and I'm not saying that you are doing this) this is a great way to ignore/condone/excuse terrible things done to the Jews.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Thank you for that word of caution Fenris. There is no favoritism with G_d. If our own generation had seen the mighty miracles of Jesus, healing all that were oppressed, lepers, demon possessed, and raising the dead...our own generation would be just as guilty and deserving of G_d's vengeance.
Jesus isolated His own generation for such vengeance
Luk 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Luk 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
Even Sodom would have repented had they seen the works of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Hope that helps.
Only for those who are looking for a reason because that is certainly not what is being taught, or given... and, imho, there will be repercussions/SEVERE consequences for those who are part of the trampling.
Some or many may disagree with me, but there is no doubt in my mind...however, don't take me as giving an excuse(God's love)as a valid reason for rejection of the One promised who did come...My point is, God is the judge of all men and men have no valid reason for the mistreatment of another man be that man Jew or Gentile.
While many may claim to believe the NT and then use it to support their ill deeds, it does not mean that the NT actually did indeed teach those ill deeds. It's that simple. I can walk over to Fenris and claim John 8:32 said "slap you", does not mean that John 8:32 did actually teach me to do so, only that I am claiming he did... Thus the reason for going straight the the source and not just believing what some nut came along and taught...imho
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But his generation wasn't the one that saw the destruction of the temple. And (as pointed out, above) that wasn't the greatest tragedy in Jewish history either. So I'm not really sure what your point is.
Besides (correct me if I'm wrong) Jesus came here for the sole reason of being "sacrificed for the sins of mankind". Why would he be angry at those people who obliged him? And technically shouldn't he have been angry at the Romans who actually carried out the execution?
many mysteries here.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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I'm sorry, I should have my my point more clear. I'm not saying that the NT teaches anything of the sort either. I'm saying that the conclusion that Vanderhoven7 comes to, that "The days of vengeance..i.e. trampling, the sword, the dispersing would not end until the vengeance against "this people" for denying/killing their Messiah, was fully accomplished." now that could lead to one condoning evil acts against the Jews. And it has.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
You're welcome.Thanks for pointing that out John.
I'm not sure what you are referring to here exactly so can you clarify it for me?Times of the Jews over Jerusalem was always meant to be. Mistakes seem to have been made and the times of the Gentiles took over ,but this was not to last forever.
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Apparently some think God didn't hear Him or answer His prayer...
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
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Wasn't Josephus who said the temple was destroyed completely in 70 AD? I don't recall. I know in the past there were discussions with markedward and others who have shared historic evidence that have leaned towards or showed this to be the case. Or is that historical proof looked at as not 100% accurate because of discrepancies in the accounts of the events of 70 AD? Was there some of the temple left and what parts were left it that's the case?
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I'm not sure where you're going with this so I can't answer. Are you curious about the date? Or how much was destroyed? Or something else?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
He wasn't angry at them for having Him killed, He was angry at the Jews (not all of them, just the unbelievers) for their lack of faith and their hypocrisy (read John 8 and Matt 23).
No, because they were acting out of ignorance.And technically shouldn't he have been angry at the Romans who actually carried out the execution?
Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Deadpan Snarker
But again. If all the Jews believed him, he would not have been slain. His mission would not have been accomplished.
How were they more ignorant than the Jews on this topic?No, because they were acting out of ignorance.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
He was not referring to people like the scribes and Pharisees there. They knew He was innocent so they knew exactly what they were doing when they ordered for Him to be killed. He was referring there only to those who were ignorant and didn't know they were killing an innocent man.
Deadpan Snarker
How about the mob? Did they know he was innocent?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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