The Six Commandments?

[awestruckchild]

Okay. So explain what he was thinking.
We were discussing the case about the teacher and he thought it relevant to bring up that verse. My response was to point out how we sometimes do NOT pray in the privacy of our room and I then gave examples of how we do so without hypocrisy or showiness.
Then you asked: what IS the problem?
So I explained that using that verse to say the teacher was wrong to bow her head in public would make quite a lot of christians who might, say, quickly and quietly bow their head in a restaurant before a meal, or in response to someones request for prayer with them, or in the midst of a sudden disaster when one cannot go running to a private place but needs God's ear NOW, to be called sinners because of the verse.
So then, explain what he meant if you think you know.
I suppose he might have brought the verse up for a completely different reason than the case we were discussing and I just am not aware of it.

[keck553]

Let's take it to an even FURTHER extreme.

Let's give the dadblamed land back to the Indians because we took it from them. Then we can all worship the Great Father in the sky and hunt the buffalo that would be left.

We pass laws and make rules because people almost always go way the heck over the line.

Okay. I like and respect NA's.

"we" pass laws? The ACLU has been strangling those who don't have tHe resources to defend themselves in court for decades and you characterize the protections they are forced to institute as "laws" we pass? Wow.

[Vhayes]

Okay. So explain what he was thinking.
We were discussing the case about the teacher and he thought it relevant to bring up that verse. My response was to point out how we sometimes do NOT pray in the privacy of our room and I then gave examples of how we do so without hypocrisy or showiness.
Then you asked: what IS the problem?
So I explained that using that verse to say the teacher was wrong to bow her head in public would make quite a lot of christians who might, say, quickly and quietly bow their head in a restaurant before a meal, or in response to someones request for prayer with them, or in the midst of a sudden disaster when one cannot go running to a private place but needs God's ear NOW, to be called sinners because of the verse.
So then, explain what he meant if you think you know.
I suppose he might have brought the verse up for a completely different reason than the case we were discussing and I just am not aware of it.

Some people only want others to see how pious they "are". I would need to read the story to get a better grasp on what happened.

[keck553]

No, I obviously don't. Please tell me what the implication was.

What awestruckchild said. That should be plain enough.

Funny you accuse me of knowIng your heart and TomH heart, yet you boldly assert that you know my heart (I have anger and bitterness in mine). Now I admit that I engage in hypocrasy from time to time, but usually not in the span of four threads.

Perhaps you meant that I "appear angry and bitter?"

[Vhayes]

Okay. I like and respect NA's.

"we" pass laws? The ACLU has been strangling those who don't have tHe resources to defend themselves in court for decades and you characterize the protections they are forced to institute as "laws" we pass? Wow.

FYI - one of the links that was posted or stories discussed - the ACLU said the child had a right to read his bible in his free time at school.

[Vhayes]

What awestruckchild said. That should be plain enough.

Well, call me stupid 'cause it's not.

[awestruckchild]

This happened in the United Kingdom, not the United States.

That's because it isn't only happening here.....

[keck553]

FYI - one of the links that was posted or stories discussed - the ACLU said the child had a right to read his bible in his free time at school.

Wow, God bless the ACLU. I am forever in their debt, those mighy men and women of courage and honor. I am so amazed that on the great authority of the ACLU, my child has the right to read his Bible in privacy. Simply amazing, those icons of virtue.

Who needs the bill of rights when we have such a blessing imparted to us from the ACLU?

[keck553]

Well, call me stupid 'cause it's not.

Sorry. Can't help you there.

Shalom.

[awestruckchild]

Some people only want others to see how pious they "are". I would need to read the story to get a better grasp on what happened.

Okay. Fair enough. But that still doesn't explain what Tom was thinking in posting the verse when we were discussing the story. You said you had a leg up on why and so I thought to give you the chance to explain. Honestly, I think the posts were just flying so fast that you weren't following my intent and meaning. Also quite understandable. We should probably just let Tom explain why the verse seemed relevant to him in regards to the teacher getting in trouble for bowing her head. And you aren't the oldest one in here. I remember the nightmare at the airport too.

[Sojourner55]

Friendly mod note:
Guys we can disagree without the tempers flaring. We need to cool off.

[awestruckchild]

Some people only want others to see how pious they "are". I would need to read the story to get a better grasp on what happened.

That some people want to appear pious is absolutely true.
Concerning the elementary students praying for their classmate whose mother had died in a car wreck, and then calling the police to investigate though?? Nah. They were hurting children doing what they had been taught is the best thing to do!

Reading a bible quietly, not saying a word? Nah. That's a child with a heart on fire!

A fifth grader drawing a picture of the cross in art class? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

These children weren't proselytizing. They weren't even speaking.
The fact that they face these attacks when they are sitting quietly is distressing.
It's like, pick on a bigger christian, why don't you? Why must they pick on little children or teenagers with a heart for their God?
In fact, I might not have even got into this conversation if it weren't for the fact that I don't like to see children used in adult agendas. It's disgusting, you know?
They weren't screaming at people like the Westborough nuts. They were quietly minding their own business.

[awestruckchild]

FYI - one of the links that was posted or stories discussed - the ACLU said the child had a right to read his bible in his free time at school.

Yes! And that is something to be grateful for.
But why does this story keep repeating?
The one in Missouri.
The one in Nevada.
Etc, etc.
And why do so many of them go to court?
Are there really so many teachers and administrators so ignorant of the laws of free speech and expression?
It's like an epidemic.
After a certain point, it begins to look purposeful.
Considering how high profile these cases become, being plastered on the news and in the papers, don't you think most teachers would now be aware that it isn't against the law for a child to read a bible on lunch break?

But yes, V, some people just want to look pious. Agreed.

[Vhayes]

Friendly mod note:
Guys we can disagree without the tempers flaring. We need to cool off.

I haven't seen any temper tantrums. I'm not angry and I don't see anyone else who is angry.

[Vhayes]

Wow, God bless the ACLU. I am forever in their debt, those mighy men and women of courage and honor. I am so amazed that on the great authority of the ACLU, my child has the right to read his Bible in privacy. Simply amazing, those icons of virtue.

Who needs the bill of rights when we have such a blessing imparted to us from the ACLU?

Keck, I'm going to try to explain what I meant by saying the ACLU defended the child.

They defended the child - stood up for his Constitutional Rights .

I am not forever in their debt but they aren't the heinous atheists they are often portrayed as being. They are not the odious liberals that people accuse them of being. Do they take stands I disagree with? Yep. But they also take stands I DO agree with. In other words, they are human.