The Six Commandments?

[awestruckchild]

James 2:17-19
King James Version (KJV)
17*Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18*Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19*Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

You are kicking against the goads Tom.
It is a house divided against itself to say you are going into a place to do His work and effect any good change when you demand that this work there be done without the Gospel.

[Vhayes]

If I go to work, I go TO WORK. When I was employed by a company, they expected (and rightly so) that I would accomplish a certain amount of the work they paid me to do.

Did I talk about Jesus? YES!!!! But I also accomplished the tasks at hand and if that meant being silent and accomplishing the work, that is exactly what I did.

Standing at someone's desk preaching at them when they are trying to get a task completed is a sure fire way of turning them totally OFF to the Good News. SHOW them your faith - help them complete their task.

[awestruckchild]

If I go to work, I go TO WORK. When I was employed by a company, they expected (and rightly so) that I would accomplish a certain amount of the work they paid me to do.

Did I talk about Jesus? YES!!!! But I also accomplished the tasks at hand and if that meant being silent and accomplishing the work, that is exactly what I did.

Standing at someone's desk preaching at them when they are trying to get a task completed is a sure fire way of turning them totally OFF to the Good News. SHOW them your faith - help them complete their task.

Well there you go, V.
You spoke about Jesus there.
This is a very different thing than saying you have faith and are doing the good works that God has prepared for you, while at the same time insisting you are doing it without the Gospel and even demanding that this is how it must be done.
It cannot stand.

[Athanasius]

Well there you go, V.
You spoke about Jesus there.
This is a very different thing than saying you have faith and are doing the good works that God has prepared for you, while at the same time insisting you are doing it without the Gospel and even demanding that this is how it must be done.
It cannot stand.

This post is too short.

[keck553]

Well there you go, V.
You spoke about Jesus there.
This is a very different thing than saying you have faith and are doing the good works that God has prepared for you, while at the same time insisting you are doing it without the Gospel and even demanding that this is how it must be done.
It cannot stand.

I think the "church age" is coming to a close. I think eventually we will all have to go underground. People who say "it can't happen in America" are Getting fewer and fewer in number as this country descends into banana republic politics and Chicago style mob rule.

But ultimately the church as we know it won't fail from pressure from without. It will fail from apostasy from within. Already there is more theological separation than Pharisees and Sadducees and the Jesus sect in the first century. We have a popular Bible (NIV) partially inspired by a participant who is gay, wants to destroy the gender roles God created, and supports the slaughter of unborn infants openly. Not suprisingly, NIV has dropped ALL references to "sodomy" and deletes many verses. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Many congregations that call themselves Christians teach Jesus' mission here was social justice, that there is no need for repentance, some that there is no need to accept His diety.

Jesus was pretty clear when he said "woe to those who teach My children to sin."

Come soon, Yeshua Adonai. Amen.

[Vhayes]

I too think the church will destroy itself from within. As it stands right now, few people take it seriously, mostly because of hypocrisy.

We (as in organized Christianity) seem to hate anything and everything that does not carry the stamp of approval from the Big Names in Churchianity while circling the wagons when one of said Big Names gets caught with their pants down - literally. Why would we expect unbelievers to take us seriously? Why would we expect unbelievers to seek what we "have" when all they see is hatred/disrespect/contempt couples with hypocrisy?

We MUST start caring for people, especially the lost, if we are to have any chance of changing the face of America and the world.

[Vhayes]

Well there you go, V.
You spoke about Jesus there.
This is a very different thing than saying you have faith and are doing the good works that God has prepared for you, while at the same time insisting you are doing it without the Gospel and even demanding that this is how it must be done.
It cannot stand.

No one is saying you can't share the gospel or should not. The flip side of that is this:

"Have you heard the Good News? Jesus died for you so that you can have eternal life. Repent, sinner and be saved!!!!

Oh - you say you have no place to sleep? No food? Well, yea, I know it's snowing but I have no place for you to lay down. Small house and all. But be blessed and God loves you!!!!!!!!"

Spreading the Good News is far more than "talk" - it's actions. And those actions speak much louder than words.

James 2
15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, “ Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

[keck553]

I too think the church will destroy itself from within. As it stands right now, few people take it seriously, mostly because of hypocrisy.

We (as in organized Christianity) seem to hate anything and everything that does not carry the stamp of approval from the Big Names in Churchianity while circling the wagons when one of said Big Names gets caught with their pants down - literally. Why would we expect unbelievers to take us seriously? Why would we expect unbelievers to seek what we "have" when all they see is hatred/disrespect/contempt couples with hypocrisy?

We MUST start caring for people, especially the lost, if we are to have any chance of changing the face of America and the world.

All I see is embracement of sin in the name of tolerance. Jesus caredd for REPENTANT people for sure, but that's not why He came. Note how many times He commanded someone to STOP SINNING (repent) after He healed or delivered them. . He came to free us from what many Christians embrace in the name of tolerance and progressive liberalism - sin. That is the ultimate hypocrasy in a believer, to justify bondage to sin in the name of "caring for people." only the adversary would approve of that.

[awestruckchild]

No one is saying you can't share the gospel or should not. The flip side of that is this:

"Have you heard the Good News? Jesus died for you so that you can have eternal life. Repent, sinner and be saved!!!!

Oh - you say you have no place to sleep? No food? Well, yea, I know it's snowing but I have no place for you to lay down. Small house and all. But be blessed and God loves you!!!!!!!!"

Spreading the Good News is far more than "talk" - it's actions. And those actions speak much louder than words.

James 2
15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, “ Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

It must be both.
The Gospel spoken without love brought things like the Crusades.
All the "good" intentions in the world without the Gospel might bring some gratitude, but it won't save a man.
It must be both.

[keck553]

No one is saying you can't share the gospel or should not. The flip side of that is this:

"Have you heard the Good News? Jesus died for you so that you can have eternal life. Repent, sinner and be saved!!!!

Oh - you say you have no place to sleep? No food? Well, yea, I know it's snowing but I have no place for you to lay down. Small house and all. But be blessed and God loves you!!!!!!!!"

Spreading the Good News is far more than "talk" - it's actions. And those actions speak much louder than words.

James 2
15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, “ Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

We've all done positive mitvoh Vhayes. Believe it or not, you're not unique in this aspect.

[Vhayes]

We've all done positive mitvoh Vhayes. Believe it or not, you're not unique in this aspect.

And I never said I was unique, now did I?

[Vhayes]

All I see is embracement of sin in the name of tolerance. Jesus caredd for REPENTANT people for sure, but that's not why He came. Note how many times He commanded someone to STOP SINNING (repent) after He healed or delivered them. . He came to free us from what many Christians embrace in the name of tolerance and progressive liberalism - sin. That is the ultimate hypocrasy in a believer, to justify bondage to sin in the name of "caring for people." only the adversary would approve of that.

I Corinthians 5
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.
10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?

13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

It's really hard to improve on this and it's as clear as a bell.

[awestruckchild]

Yes, that was clear as a bell, V, and utterly true.
We do not embrace sin when we help an unbeliever.
God desires mercy and compassion.

[Scooby_Snacks]

I know you are sincere. i DO know that and I appreciate that sincerity.

We are blessed to live in a country that allows us to worship as we see fit. The "down" side of that is, we must allow all others to worship as THEY see fit. That's what "freedom" is all about.

If we allow Christians to teach our religion in public schools, then we must also allow Hindus to teach THEIR religion in public schools. I don't WANT a Hindu teaching my grandchild that Vishnu is "Truth" - because I do not believe it to BE truth. I do not want a Jehovah's Witness teaching my child as biblical Truth that only 144,000 people will go to heaven - and they are all Jehovah's Witnesses.

HOW is that "hiding the light"?
Where have you got the idea that I would be sad to walk away from my "possessions"? That one is really throwing me for a loop.

The public school system is NOT a place to teach religion - any religion. Religion and core beliefs should be taught in the home and at church. Children must be educated - there are laws that state that. If a child MUST go to school, I want them protected from being forced into learning the tenets of Scientology or Islam or Buddhism. If that means that Christianity cannot be taught, then I'm ok with that.

How am I quenching the Spirit by not wanting schools teaching religion?

And again - I am not angry. Confused but not at all angry.

We are on the same page vhayes.
The law is very clear.
When a teacher who is not abiding by this "law of the land" is held accountable for their actions, it is not persecution, it is cause and effect.

I have had to do "damage control" with my children because "Christian" teachers decided to bring their rendition of Christian belief into the classroom. Their views were twisted.
My problem is that I did not have the courage to go to the teacher, school or board about it. Instead I used it as a teaching tool at home.

So there are always two sides to a story.

In my heart of hearts, if a Christian teacher decides to break the law, it angers and dissapoints me.
I believe it shatters their testimony, and does damage to Christianity as a whole.

Perhaps, there are some who would be better off teaching at a Christian school than a public school, where they may have to learn to be as wise as a serpent, and gentle as a dove.

[Vhayes]

Hence this thread. These are some of the consequences. Except today some Christians support the advocates of those consequences. Wolves among the sheep I suppose.

Would you elaborate on this a little, please?