Matthew 16:27-28 ???

[josh]

I been struggling with my understanding of these verses for awhile. I've prayed for wisdom and understanding but still have not received an answer. Can someone tell me what Jesus was referring to here? I am very confused.

Matthew 16:27-28

King James Version (KJV)

²⁷ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
²⁸ Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

I've been told that Jesus was referring to the transfiguration,but that doesn't make
any sense to me.

He wasn't with his angels. He didn't reward every man according to his works.
Why would he tell them "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" if he was referring to an event which would take place six days later?

I'm just trying to make sense of this, please help.

[John 8:32]

I been struggling with my understanding of these verses for awhile. I've prayed for wisdom and understanding but still have not received an answer. Can someone tell me what Jesus was referring to here? I am very confused.

Matthew 16:27-28

King James Version (KJV)

²⁷ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
²⁸ Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

I've been told that Jesus was referring to the transfiguration,but that doesn't make
any sense to me.

He wasn't with his angels. He didn't reward every man according to his works.
Why would he tell them "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" if he was referring to an event which would take place six days later?

I'm just trying to make sense of this, please help.

Remember that originally there were no chapter and verse delineations, these were added much later. Continue reading right into Mat 17 and in a vision, Christ was transformed to His glorified state.

How do we know that this is a vision? At least two reasons...

1) Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Christ says it is a vision and secondly, in His glorified state, no man can live in His presence...

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

[RockSolid]

Remember that originally there were no chapter and verse delineations, these were added much later. Continue reading right into Mat 17 and in a vision, Christ was transformed to His glorified state.

How do we know that this is a vision? At least two reasons...

1) Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Christ says it is a vision and secondly, in His glorified state, no man can live in His presence...

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

That doesn't answer these issues.

He wasn't with his angels. He didn't reward every man according to his works.
Why would he tell them "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" if he was referring to an event which would take place six days later?

Some standing here would not taste death till it happened, not all standing here would not taste death. Some not dying implies that probably the majority, or at the minimum half, would die before it happened. If not he would have used all or most, not some.

The Transfiguration was missing key components of the Scriptures.
There were no angels.
There was no rewarding each person for what they have done.
He did not come in His kingdom.
It's not plausible to believe that half or more of those that Jesus was talking to were dead within six days.

[John 8:32]

That doesn't answer these issues.



Some standing here would not taste death till it happened, not all standing here would not taste death. Some not dying implies that probably the majority, or at the minimum half, would die before it happened. If not he would have used all or most, not some.

The Transfiguration was missing key components of the Scriptures.
There were no angels.
There was no rewarding each person for what they have done.
He did not come in His kingdom.
It's not plausible to believe that half or more of those that Jesus was talking to were dead within six days.

It was a vision and just as Mat 16:28 says they saw Him. They saw Him in a vision. All of the disciples did not see it, just Peter, James and John. Either that or the Kingdom was established that day and this is the best it gets and I don't believe that for one minute.

[josh]

Thanks John 8:32,but that really doesn't answer my question. I know the transfiguration was a vision. I want to know what Jesus was referring to in Matthew 16:27-28.

[Old man]

I been struggling with my understanding of these verses for awhile. I've prayed for wisdom and understanding but still have not received an answer. Can someone tell me what Jesus was referring to here? I am very confused.

Matthew 16:27-28

King James Version (KJV)

²⁷ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
²⁸ Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

I've been told that Jesus was referring to the transfiguration,but that doesn't make
any sense to me.

He wasn't with his angels. He didn't reward every man according to his works.
Why would he tell them "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" if he was referring to an event which would take place six days later?

I'm just trying to make sense of this, please help.

Hello Josh;

This is how I view this passage:

Look at verse Matt. 16:25 “For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” Saving your life means losing your physical life. And losing your life means saving your physical life. This is all in relation to denying Christ. When Christ come back in judgment it is not their physical life they will lose but their spiritual life (i.e. eternal judgment) Jesus is talking about the second death that is possible to experience. Everyone (most everyone) will experience a physical (the first) death but not everyone will eternal (second) death. If they deny Christ by saving their own life when they are threatened with death because of their faith Christ, they may have saved their life here but when Christ comes back because they denied Him before men He will deny them before the Father. If they lose their life if they are threatened with death because of Christ, because they did not reject Jesus before men He will not reject them.

His comment in verse Matt. 16:28 "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Understand that Jesus is saying that they will not taste death "until" He returns. Our understanding is that He will return with life for those who are waiting for Him not death. He is telling them that there are those standing there that will put their own lives first and will reject Him in order to save their own life. in this verse Jesus is telling them of the consequences of trying to save their physical life (refer back to verse 25). By saving their physical life they will lose their spiritual life and experience the second death when He comes back and judges. One interesting point the scriptures make here is in verse Mat 16:24 “Then Jesus said to His disciples, …” It will be some of His disciples who reject Him.

[josh]

Thanks for your reply Old man

[BroRog]

[QUOTE=josh;2848180]I've been told that Jesus was referring to the transfiguration,but that doesn't make
any sense to me.

He wasn't with his angels. He didn't reward every man according to his works.
Why would he tell them "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" if he was referring to an event which would take place six days later?

Some standing here would not taste death till it happened, not all standing here would not taste death. Some not dying implies that probably the majority, or at the minimum half, would die before it happened. If not he would have used all or most, not some.

The Transfiguration was missing key components of the Scriptures.
There were no angels.
There was no rewarding each person for what they have done.
He did not come in His kingdom.
It's not plausible to believe that half or more of those that Jesus was talking to were dead within six days.

One thing to consider as we study this passage: Jesus tells a parable about the kingdom in which he teaches that the kingdom will be like a very small seed that grows to be a big tree. What this tells me is that the Kingdom of God will not be (was not) instituted or inaugurated fully formed but will start off not fully formed and small and almost hidden. Jesus says that some people would see the kingdom come in power, but even so, it will come in its seminal form, its infancy, its beginning form, not with trumpets blasting and angels singing. The kingdom of God starts off small and slowly builds in size and significance. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost would certainly fit this description. One could argue that Pentecost was the "Grand opening", if you will, of the Kingdom coming in power and glory, but even so, coming in a limited region of the planet and to a small group of people living in Jerusalem.

[Caleb]

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus did not say that there are some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see " the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works"

He said: "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"

As I understand it, it is two different events described.

[Beloved65]

I can't answered for some, but at least one, the Apostle John in the Book of Revelation saw the Second Coming. We must remember that when Jesus spoke here, He stated, shall not taste death, till they see the Son of Man Coming in His Kingdom. For if any of these Apostle were alive at Jesus Second Coming they would not die. (I Corinthians 15:51-57).

As many have said alreay Jesus never stated some would see Him Coming with His angels, but just this; till they see the Son of man coming in His Kingdom. So all 11 apostle (except Judas) saw this in a manner of speaking in that while the Apostle waited for the promise of the Holy Spirit they watched Jesus going to heaven and where told by two men (probably angels) Jesus would return in the like manner (Acts 1:9-11)

[Raybob]

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Jesus did not say that there are some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see " the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works"

He said: "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"

As I understand it, it is two different events described.

Amen. The first verse is speaking of the second coming. The second verse is speaking of the Kingdom of God that Jesus brought us when He gave us the Holy Spirit, and He took the throne of David, in Acts 2.

[ewq1938]

How do we know that this is a vision? At least two reasons...

1) Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

"vision" does not equal "something not real"....

G3705
ὅραμα
horama
hor'-am-ah
From G3708; something gazed at, that is, a spectacle (especially supernatural): - sight, vision.

A vision is no more or less something seen. In this case it was something quite amazing, but certainly quite real.

Christ says it is a vision and secondly, in His glorified state, no man can live in His presence...

No scripture states such an absurd concept.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The Wicked one shall be destroyed not just anyone unfortunate to witness the event.

[John 8:32]

Originally Posted by John 8:32

Christ says it is a vision and secondly, in His glorified state, no man can live in His presence...

No scripture states such an absurd concept.

My oh my, what was I thinking? Oh wait, I know...

Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

[ewq1938]

My oh my, what was I thinking? Oh wait, I know...

Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Jesus did not say that nor has anyone died when they saw Jesus' face.

[John 8:32]

Jesus did not say that nor has anyone died when they saw Jesus' face.

You're right, I just made it up.