two men in one bed?

[exiledchristian]

If homosexuality is wrong,why in Luke does it state..

Luke 17:34:I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

[Saved7]

Just a logical little lens to examine that verse through.

First things first...where does Jesus give His stamp of approval of two men in one bed? Just because it's mentioned doesn't mean it's approved, you must always keep that in mind when reading the scriptures.

Secondly, I don't know enough about the culture of that age to say anything, and apparently neither do you or you would not make assumptions about what that means. So it would be wise on your part and the part of others who do not know (myself included), to first investigate the culture of that time and find out WHY two men would be in one bed. And why two women would be grinding at the mill.

Third, some believe that this particular verse when taken in context is actually a reference to the rapture. While others believe it to be a reference to a time of persecution and destruction of Israel. Meaning one person is taken...to be killed......hence not raptured.

[exiledchristian]

Just a logical little lens to examine that verse through.

First things first...where does Jesus give His stamp of approval of two men in one bed? Just because it's mentioned doesn't mean it's approved, you must always keep that in mind when reading the scriptures.

Secondly, I don't know enough about the culture of that age to say anything, and apparently neither do you or you would not make assumptions about what that means. So it would be wise on your part and the part of others who do not know (myself included), to first investigate the culture of that time and find out WHY two men would be in one bed. And why two women would be grinding at the mill.

Third, some believe that this particular verse when taken in context is actually a reference to the rapture. While others believe it to be a reference to a time of persecution and destruction of Israel. Meaning one person is taken...to be killed......hence not raptured.

Why would it be mentioned then,should we disregard Scripture? Why would an example of that be used?

[Dani H]

Even if (for argument's sake), let's say those two men Jesus describes are gay ...

Describing a reality doesn't mean approving of the behavior or condoning it.

They could have just been two servants sharing a bed. Not uncommon. Nothing is implied here (except in your own head).

[Standing]

John 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me

God makes marriage man/woman from the beginning. As we follow the OT into the NT the entire line is man/woman marriages. God never shows us a same sex union anywhere in his blessed line or in any relationship he shows us through the word. Yet you want to take one little scripture that can have a multitude of translations, grab the version that says two men, and imply that to proof of same sex approval.

People are mincing words to desperately find their own desire within the word. Looking for the loophole that supports the behavior that is blatantly opposed by the same scriptures.

Do you really believe you can stand before the throne one day and say this to him?

[quiet dove]

I don't think "men" is in there but was added and not in the original, it should be "two in one bed", or "two on one couch".

[Traveler]

In the old days before indoor plumbing and such only the wealthy lived in what we understand today as real houses.

In many cases you had a one roomed shack with a fire place on one side for heating and cooking and the bed on the other. Often a crude table and stools. The toilet was the outhouse at the back some way from the shack consisting of a long drop.

Either you slept on the bed, such as it was, or you slept on the floor, It was not uncommon to have the whole family sleeping in the same bed, Fact is, if you made another bed in these circumstances just where do you intend to put it in such a small place. Keep in mind that the making of a bed back then was quite the undertaking and most consisted of smaller poles just roped together or do you think they just jumped in the family chariot and hitched the horses outside the local walmart while they picked out the latest imported sleep comfort for under two goats trade.

[Boo]

I don't think "men" is in there but was added and not in the original, it should be "two in one bed", or "two on one couch".

Correct: Luke 17:34 I say to you, In this night there will be two upon [bed one]; the one will be taken, and the other will be left.

The word "men" was added by the translator.

[Traveler]

Luk 17:34 I tellG3004 you,G5213 in thatG5026 nightG3571 there shall beG2071 twoG1417 men inG1909 oneG3391 bed;G2825 theG3588 oneG1520 shall be taken,G3880 andG2532 theG3588 otherG2087 shall be left.G863

You know he's right, The word men has been added, it does not exist in the original Greek but was added to indicate that he was talking about people not bed bugs. Seems you learn something new every day.

[andrew_no_one]

If homosexuality is wrong,why in Luke does it state..

Luke 17:34:I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

You've asked the same question in another thread and it was answered there, though perhaps you would prefer to not have the honest answer. If you remain ignorant, it is because you have chosen to.

[shepherdsword]

I don't think "men" is in there but was added and not in the original, it should be "two in one bed", or "two on one couch".

"men" isn't in the original. It is simply "duo" or two. In fact when you parse the verse you find that one of the words translated "one" (mias)was feminine and the other(heis) masculine.The verse actually speaks of two of the opposite sex. Men was added because of the cultural context that the KJV bible translators were subject to. It was common practice in those days for rooming houses and lodging places to place two men in a room with a single bed when it was crowded. Ever see "Moby Dick"? The guy that found himself in the bed with a savage from the jungle was facing a common experience that travelers and lodgers had in those days. Jesus was in no way condoning homosexuality.

[Slug1]

Admin note, while this conversation may continue... be aware that the member who began this thread is not a member any longer.

[episkopos]

One errant teaching properly refuted!!! Well done! 999,999 to go!!!!

[Dani H]

I still think trollish thread was rather trollish ... but ... maybe someone else gets a question or two answered from it.

[andrew_no_one]

I still think trollish thread was rather trollish ... but ... maybe someone else gets a question or two answered from it.

I've got a question: What is "trollish" or a "troll"? I've heard the word used for a decade and never knew what it means. Hmmmmm
Urban dictionary says:
"One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"