Can we advance in spiritual Character or only Walk in the Spirit Moment to Moment?

[marianna]

It is evident that you are stuck in a rut due to human understanding. Look beyond your indoctrination. Look at what John is really saying...

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

God does not lead us into sin. God does not empower a person to sin. What miracle includes an act of sin? Does the Spirit say...hey! go enjoy yourself???? You are really talking of a person who has never known Christ who thinks that Christianity is about covering up the truth.

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

Are you saying that a transgressor (that Paul names) is actually the saved one????

i never said God leads us into sin. stop twisting what i am saying. i am working from 1 John. i never said nor would i ever blaspheme to say God empowers us to sin. stop doing that. do not misrepresent what i said
or i will report you for slander and beaqring false witness.

you clearly twisted this to fit your own doctrine. you should find out what this means. go read the whole book.

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

and this:


1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

people who like to think they are so spiritual they fulfill the LAW (which only Jesus did) always use that particluar translation to prop up their self-deception that they no longer sin (which john said means they are not walking in the light at all, since confessioning our sinsto be cleansed from unrioghteousness is THE CONDITION for walking in the light\).

try this one:

No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

thats pretty clear right? we practise righteousness now. but according to you, we ARE perfectly righeous of our own accord according to own own obedience. you dont understand why God hads come Himself to fulfill the Law and you deny that jesus was our propitiation - that YES God's wrath need appeasment, and He poured it onj on an innocent MAN.


i have two questios for you that will end this converstion: do you still sin?
you'll either have the truth in you and admit it or you wont.

was Jesus the scapegoat ([propititation?) yes or no?

if you avoid answering thats all i need to know.

[marianna]

You have turned the world upside down. Do we need to sin in order to be forgiven? Should I actively sin so that I can be justified through confession?

Actually a man who abides in Christ cannot sin. THAT is what the bible says. You are just looking for a reason to disbelieve. You have a right to do that.

if you are not confessing your sinfulness (and i assure you, you sin much and you sin DAILY), His wrath abides on you, you are not being cleansed.

stop twisting what i said in order to make out to be condoning sin.
i wont ask again.


you are bearing false witness. address the scriptures (in the greek) i posted. and answer the simple questions.

if you sinned once since conversion, you need cleansing. if you say you didnt, johnj (not me) said theres no truth in you at all.

[episkopos]

Is God a sin junkie that loves to hear of our sinful exploits (taking vicarious pleasure in them) and who will then forgive us (with a wink) if they are juicy enough?

Really, this type of reasoning makes a mockery of God. Jesus died so we could confess our sins...over and over again??? God likes to hear our confessions so much that He is willing to send His Son to die in order to hear them?????

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

[episkopos]

if you are not confessing your sinfulness (and i assure you, you sin much and you sin DAILY), His wrath abides on you, you are not being cleansed.

stop twisting what i said in order to make out to be condoning sin.
i wont ask again.


you are bearing false witness. address the scriptures (in the greek) i posted. and answer the simple questions.

if you sinned once since conversion, you need cleansing. if you say you didnt, johnj (not me) said theres no truth in you at all.

Here again you are not speaking in Christ but by human reasoning and accusation. I rebuke the lie that says we are powerless In Christ to never overcome the sin that Jesus died in order to provide us the grace in which to do that very thing. I will not stand here and allow the sacrifice of Christ to be made as nothing.

Have you joined this forum to belittle the grace of God and undermine the truth of the bible?

[marianna]

i never said God leads us into sin. stop twisting what i am saying. i am working from 1 John. i never said nor would i ever blaspheme to say God empowers us to sin. stop doing that. do not misrepresent what i said
or i will report you for slander and beaqring false witness.

you clearly twisted this to fit your own doctrine. you should find out what this means. go read the whole book.

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

and this:


1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

people who like to think they are so spiritual they fulfill the LAW (which only Jesus did) always use that particluar translation to prop up their self-deception that they no longer sin (which john said means they are not walking in the light at all, since confessioning our sinsto be cleansed from unrioghteousness is THE CONDITION for walking in the light\).

try this one:

No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

thats pretty clear right? we practise righteousness now. but according to you, we ARE perfectly righeous of our own accord according to own own obedience. you dont understand why God hads come Himself to fulfill the Law and you deny that jesus was our propitiation - that YES God's wrath need appeasment, and He poured it onj on an innocent MAN.


i have two questios for you that will end this converstion: do you still sin?
you'll either have the truth in you and admit it or you wont.

was Jesus the scapegoat ([propititation?) yes or no?

if you avoid answering thats all i need to know.

do you obey Jesus who told us how to pray? do you pray daily\|?



9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.




10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.




11Give us this day our daily bread.




12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.




13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.



Original Word: ὀφείλημα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: opheiléma
Phonetic Spelling: (of-i'-lay-mah)
Short Definition: a debt, offense, sin
Definition: a debt, offense, sin.

Cognate: 3783 opheílēma (a neuter noun) – the result of having a debt, focusing on the after-effect of the obligation (note the -ma suffix).

paraptóma: a false step, a trespass
Original Word: παράπτωμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: paraptóma
Phonetic Spelling: (par-ap'-to-mah)
Short Definition: a falling away, sin
Definition: a falling away, lapse, slip, false step, trespass, sin.

3900 paráptōma (from 3895 /parapíptō, see there) – properly, fall away after being close-beside, i.e. a lapse (deviation) from the truth; an error, "slip up"; wrong doing that can be (relatively) unconscious, "non-deliberate."



if you dont pray that prayer, you dont believe you need to seek forgiveness and cleansing from deliberate or unconscious sin.

do you owe a debt to God and others? do you need forgtiveness which only comes through the Blood?

never mind.

[marianna]

Is God a sin junkie that loves to hear of our sinful exploits (taking vicarious pleasure in them) and who will then forgive us (with a wink) if they are juicy enough?

Really, this type of reasoning makes a mockery of God. Jesus died so we could confess our sins...over and over again??? God likes to hear our confessions so much that He is willing to send His Son to die in order to hear them?????

is is a disgraceful blasphemy and a mockery of our High Priest.
according to john youre a liar.

and i see easily there's no truth in you at all. none. you've deceived yourself and refuse to admit you sin. thats a dead give away.
i joined to discuss scripture. the full counsel of God.

but you want to call it something else. just like you seriously overestimate your obedience and have no clue what perfection God demands. only Jesus was perfect.

no propitiation? no wonder you're self-deceived. you don't know what Jesus accomplised. therefore you preach another jesus and another gospel. and there no other.

end of conversation..i have no fellowship with people who deny they sin. theyre liars and not cleansed and do not walk in the light and have no fellowship with Father Son and Holy Spirit.

[marianna]

Here again you are not speaking in Christ but by human reasoning and accusation. I rebuke the lie that says we are powerless In Christ to never overcome the sin that Jesus died in order to provide us the grace in which to do that very thing. I will not stand here and allow the sacrifice of Christ to be made as nothing.

Have you joined this forum to belittle the grace of God and undermine the truth of the bible?

one last thing.
Grace is Mercy.

the POWER is in The Blood.
Christ's.

goodbye.

[episkopos]

do you obey Jesus who told us how to pray? do you pray daily\|?



9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.




10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.




11Give us this day our daily bread.




12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.




13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.



Original Word: ὀφείλημα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: opheiléma
Phonetic Spelling: (of-i'-lay-mah)
Short Definition: a debt, offense, sin
Definition: a debt, offense, sin.

Cognate: 3783 opheílēma (a neuter noun) – the result of having a debt, focusing on the after-effect of the obligation (note the -ma suffix).

paraptóma: a false step, a trespass
Original Word: παράπτωμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: paraptóma
Phonetic Spelling: (par-ap'-to-mah)
Short Definition: a falling away, sin
Definition: a falling away, lapse, slip, false step, trespass, sin.

3900 paráptōma (from 3895 /parapíptō, see there) – properly, fall away after being close-beside, i.e. a lapse (deviation) from the truth; an error, "slip up"; wrong doing that can be (relatively) unconscious, "non-deliberate."



if you dont pray that prayer, you dont believe you need to seek forgiveness and cleansing from deliberate or unconscious sin.

do you owe a debt to God and others? do you need forgtiveness which only comes through the Blood?

never mind.

The law is not made for law keepers but for the lawless. Forgiveness is not meant for those who are IN Christ but those who stray away from Him. Does the shepherd leave his flock in order to find the one who is in his flock...or the one who has strayed?

If you are constantly straying you should repent and be honest about your OWN condition rather than hiding your sins by justifying them through the bible and accusing others of what YOU do. Stop the hypocrisy!

This is what you are about...justifying yourself through an improper reading of the bible. So because you sin so much...that makes you closer to God than anyone????

[episkopos]

one last thing.
Grace is Mercy.

the POWER is in The Blood.
Christ's.

goodbye.

Wrong. Grace is the empowerment that Jesus died and was resurrected to provide man with. A power to overcome all sin through a death of the old nature and the birth of a divine nature patterned exactly on the very life essence of Jesus. God has ALWAYS been merciful. But grace has come through Christ.

It is wrong to assert that before Jesus came that God was not merciful. Otherwise why would He have sent His Son? Jesus would have to have sneaked away and died to force God to be merciful.

[marianna]

Wrong. Grace is the empowerment that Jesus died and was resurrected to provide man with. A power to overcome all sin through a death of the old nature and the birth of a divine nature patterned exactly on the very life essence of Jesus. God has ALWAYS been merciful. But grace has come through Christ.

It is wrong to assert that before Jesus came that God was not merciful. Otherwise why would He have sent His Son? Jesus would have to have sneaked away and died to force God to be merciful.

this is posted for other to see what bad fruit comes from this misrepresentation of 'walking' in the light and 'walking' in the Spirit. some self-deceived self-righteous people say they have achieved a sinsless state and therefore are accepted on that ground. that Christs crucifiction was to empower....not APPEASE or make atonement and propititation.

they want to be super spiritual and so righteous. they pretend God gets some credit, but really they are boasting in their own righteousness. Paul said he wanted to found NOT HAVING A RIGHTEOUSNESS OF HIS OWN.

some people are so determined to present themselves to the wordl and to the church are perfected they'll even lie about what the bible says.



they twist what GRACE IS.

charis: grace, kindness
Original Word: χάρις, ιτος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: charis
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
Short Definition: grace, favor, kindness
Definition: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, (c) gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness.

Cognate: 5485 xáris (another feminine noun from xar-, "favor, disposed to, inclined, favorable towards, leaning towards to share benefit") – properly, grace. 5485 (xáris) is preeminently used of the Lord's favor – freely extended to give Himself away to people (because He is "always leaning toward them").

5485 /xáris ("grace") answers directly to the Hebrew (OT) term 2580 /Kaná ("grace, extension-toward"). Both refer to God freely extending Himself (His favor, grace), reaching (inclining) to people because He is disposed to bless (be near) them.

[5485 (xáris) is sometimes rendered "thanks" but the core-idea is "favor, grace" ("extension towards").]

Galatians 2:21
i do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.


people underestimate God's Power and Plan to DELIVER men to Glory. yes, we HATE sin now. so we confess it and are cleansed....unless we are without truth and believe we are sinless.

we have to deny the Propitiation, AND Imputed Righteousness to believe this about ourselves.

those people dont believe anything about what the bible says about them.....or the TRUE GOSPEL (which has nothing to do with them, its all a gift from God...but they reserve the right to BOAST).

Phili[pians 3

1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.




7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.




12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.




17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

that righteousness paul is talking about isnt ours.
its JESUS' that God accepted as PERFECT.

it is ours by FAITH.

not by our 2 tiered super spiritual obedience to the Law.
if righteou

[episkopos]

this is posted for other to see what bad fruit comes from this misrepresentation of 'walking' in the light and 'walking' in the Spirit. some self-deceived self-righteous people say they have achieved a sinsless state and therefore are accepted on that ground. that Christs crucifiction was to empower....not APPEASE or make atonement and propititation.

they want to be super spiritual and so righteous. they pretend God gets some credit, but really they are boasting in their own righteousness. Paul said he wanted to found NOT HAVING A RIGHTEOUSNESS OF HIS OWN.

some people are so determined to present themselves to the wordl and to the church are perfected they'll even lie about what the bible says.



they twist what GRACE IS.

charis: grace, kindness
Original Word: χάρις, ιτος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: charis
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
Short Definition: grace, favor, kindness
Definition: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, (c) gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness.

Cognate: 5485 xáris (another feminine noun from xar-, "favor, disposed to, inclined, favorable towards, leaning towards to share benefit") – properly, grace. 5485 (xáris) is preeminently used of the Lord's favor – freely extended to give Himself away to people (because He is "always leaning toward them").

5485 /xáris ("grace") answers directly to the Hebrew (OT) term 2580 /Kaná ("grace, extension-toward"). Both refer to God freely extending Himself (His favor, grace), reaching (inclining) to people because He is disposed to bless (be near) them.

[5485 (xáris) is sometimes rendered "thanks" but the core-idea is "favor, grace" ("extension towards").]

Galatians 2:21
i do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.


people underestimate God's Power and Plan to DELIVER men to Glory. yes, we HATE sin now. so we confess it and are cleansed....unless we are without truth and believe we are sinless.

we have to deny the Propitiation, AND Imputed Righteousness to believe this about ourselves.

those people dont believe anything about what the bible says about them.....or the TRUE GOSPEL (which has nothing to do with them, its all a gift from God...but they reserve the right to BOAST).

Phili[pians 3

1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.




7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.




12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.




17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 20For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

that righteousness paul is talking about isnt ours.
its JESUS' that God accepted as PERFECT.

it is ours by FAITH.

not by our 2 tiered super spiritual obedience to the Law.
if righteou

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed (not just confessed and forgiven), that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.




Gal_2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

A carnal person cannot understand this...that a man can be separated from his old nature and made to be alive IN Christ. It makes no sense to him.

Joh_8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

The gospel has been so twisted in our time that gay ministers are seen as bringing MORE grace to the church (as per Anglicans and other "mainstreamers). More sin brings more grace!!! Of course this goes exactly contrary to the word. And the people said amen!

[episkopos]

Did Jesus come to pay the penalty in order to hide sins...or empower us to overcome just as He has overcome?

Rev_21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

1Jn_5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

A Christian is NOT justified by continuing to sin and continuing to confess the sin. A sinner is justified INITIALLY through repentance and confession because he is an alien to God. To continue to do as before one receives grace (to continue in sin) is to continue to be an alien to God. It entrenches sin rather than overcome it.

So by CHRIST's power we overcome by faith...with the grace that God gives us to do so.

[Eyelog]

Here's an interesting pardoxical expression in the Scripture:

Proverbs 26:4-5
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you will be like him yourself.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.

So which is it? According to his folly or not?

[episkopos]

Here's an interesting pardoxical expression in the Scripture:



So which is it? According to his folly or not?

When the folly does not denigrate the truth...ignore it...do not draw attention to the folly. But when the folly attacks the truth, then that folly must be refuted or else in the silence it seems to have some merit.

[episkopos]

In the end the truth is simple...

Before we know God and abide in Him we reach out through repentance and confession of our iniquity. We are then forgiven and reconciled to God. Once we abide in Him then we have no reason to sin or stray...a full cup that overflows with His life has no room for any impurities.

1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

So rather than reduce the gospel to our own level of unrighteousness we uphold the truth that we can overcome all things through abiding in Christ. If a man sins it is because he was failing to abide in Christ. So do we try not to sin on our own??? Of course not!! We simply abide in Christ.

Now those who think that sanctification is a one time done deal...did you ever sin after this sanctification? If so...it means that you have not yet been sanctified as per your doctrine.

Rather it is both a primary filling then an ongoing filling. It is both. Hence we can walk for awhile in sanctification (according to our measure of faith) and then at times stray away from this abiding through the lusts that are in the soul. As we learn to forsake our own ways we can become increasingly dependent on God as for each breath. Then we can abide continually and overcome the same way that Jesus did.

To those who think we can never be fully sanctified...how then can we be cleansed from ALL unrighteousness. Are we only ever partially cleansed? Does the blood of Jesus only have a partial efficacy?