Jewish Return (Not Just From Babylon)

[Gilligan]

Some people believe the promises in the Old Testament of return from captivity refers only to the one from Babylon. While there are promises of the Jews return from Babylon, not all of them are. This implies other ones refer to a modern return of Jews.

Deuteronomy 30:3-5, Isaiah 43:5-6 & 11:10-12, Jeremiah 23:3-8, Ezekiel 36 & 37 speak of a return from multiple countries, not just Assyria and Babylon. The return from Babylon was from only one country and one direction (east). There were mass waves of immigration from all directions beginning in 1882 and culminating with statehood in 1948 and continuing to this day. Operation Solomon in 1991 when over 14,000 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel is a significant example.

Jeremiah 24:6 and Amos 9:14-15 says they will no more be plucked up. After their return from Babylon, they were plucked up again in 70 A.D. by the Romans. So this must refer to a restoration after 70 A.D., which I believe refers to modern times.

The disciples asked Jesus in Acts 1:6-7 "Wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel". Jesus did not respond by saying it will never happen or that God was through with Israel, but simply told them it was not for them to know when it will happen. If the question meant merely a spiritual kingdom, they wouldn't have specified Israel.

[John 8:32]

Some people believe the promises in the Old Testament of return from captivity refers only to the one from Babylon. While there are promises of the Jews return from Babylon, not all of them are. This implies other ones refer to a modern return of Jews.

Isaiah 43:5-6 & 11:10-12, Jeremiah 23:3-8, Ezekiel 36 & 37 speak of a return from multiple countries, not just Assyria and Babylon. The return from Babylon was from only one country and one direction (east). There were mass waves of immigration from all directions beginning in 1882 and culminating with statehood in 1948 and continuing to this day. Operation Solomon in 1991 when over 14,000 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel is a significant example.

Jeremiah 24:6 and Amos 9:14-15 says they will no more be plucked up. After their return from Babylon, they were plucked up again in 70 A.D. by the Romans. So this must refer to a restoration after 70 A.D., which I believe refers to modern times.

The disciples asked Jesus in Acts 1:6-7 "Wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel". Jesus did not respond by saying it will never happen or that God was through with Israel, but simply told them it was not for them to know when it will happen. If the question meant merely a spiritual kingdom, they wouldn't have specified Israel.

We are speaking of two separate nations here...

Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

The time frame is the Millenium and Israel and Judah will be a united monarchy once again with a resurrected David as king over them. There will be a disciple/apostle ruling over each one of the tirbes...

Mat 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luk 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
Luk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luk 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

[Fenris]

Isaiah is even more vivid-

43:5 Fear not, for I am with thee; I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; 6 I will say to the north: 'Give up,' and to the south: 'Keep not back, bring My sons from far, and My daughters from the end of the earth;

49:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and set up Mine ensign to the peoples, and they shall bring thy sons in their bosom, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. 23 And kings shall be thy foster-fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers; they shall bow down to thee with their face to the earth, and lick the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD, for they shall not be ashamed that wait for Me.

60:10 And aliens shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee; for in My wrath I smote thee, but in My favour have I had compassion on thee. 11 Thy gates also shall be open continually, day and night, they shall not be shut; that men may bring unto thee the wealth of the nations, and their kings in procession. 12 For that nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. 13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the cypress, the plane-tree and the larch together; to beautify the place of My sanctuary, and I will make the place of My feet glorious. 14 And the sons of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee, and all they that despised thee shall bow down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee the city of the LORD, the Zion of the Holy One of Israel. 15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man passed through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations. 16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the nations, and shalt suck the breast of kings; and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour, and I, the Mighty One of Jacob, thy Redeemer. 17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron; I will also make thy officers peace, and righteousness thy magistrates. 18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, desolation nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise. 19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day, neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee; but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. 20 Thy sun shall no more go down, Neither shall thy moon withdraw itself; for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. 21 Thy people also shall be all righteous, they shall inherit the land for ever; the branch of My planting, the work of My hands, wherein I glory. 22 The smallest shall become a thousand, and the least a mighty nation; I the LORD will hasten it in its time.

[Cyberseeker]

Some people believe the promises in the Old Testament of return from captivity refers only to the one from Babylon. While there are promises of the Jews return from Babylon, not all of them are. This implies other ones refer to a modern return of Jews.

I agree. The 'return to Israel' prophecies are one of those kind of prophecies that have a near/far fulfillment. Coming from Babylon was the 'near' and has happened again in our day.

[Adstars]

Some people believe the promises in the Old Testament of return from captivity refers only to the one from Babylon. While there are promises of the Jews return from Babylon, not all of them are. This implies other ones refer to a modern return of Jews.

Deuteronomy 30:3-5, Isaiah 43:5-6 & 11:10-12, Jeremiah 23:3-8, Ezekiel 36 & 37 speak of a return from multiple countries, not just Assyria and Babylon. The return from Babylon was from only one country and one direction (east). There were mass waves of immigration from all directions beginning in 1882 and culminating with statehood in 1948 and continuing to this day. Operation Solomon in 1991 when over 14,000 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel is a significant example.

Jeremiah 24:6 and Amos 9:14-15 says they will no more be plucked up. After their return from Babylon, they were plucked up again in 70 A.D. by the Romans. So this must refer to a restoration after 70 A.D., which I believe refers to modern times.

The disciples asked Jesus in Acts 1:6-7 "Wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel". Jesus did not respond by saying it will never happen or that God was through with Israel, but simply told them it was not for them to know when it will happen. If the question meant merely a spiritual kingdom, they wouldn't have specified Israel.

And none of this can confirm that the current political state of Israel is the fulfillment of Prophecy. These prophecies may still be future.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[vinsight4u8]

Israel will again go captive to Babylon's land.
She has not yet been there under Babylonian kings for 70 years> only about 66 years, then Cyrus took over and Darius was made ruler as a Mede.

[BroRog]

And none of this can confirm that the current political state of Israel is the fulfillment of Prophecy. These prophecies may still be future.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Ezekiel describes the fulfillment in three stages: 1) bones rise and assemble; the return of the people to the land, 2) flesh is put on the bones; the people reconstitute themselves as a nation, 3) the spirit is poured out on the bodies; the Holy Spirit is given to the nation of Israel and each man and his neighbor will come to saving faith.

From what I see and if my interpretation is correct, we are at stage two.

[John 8:32]

Ezekiel describes the fulfillment in three stages: 1) bones rise and assemble; the return of the people to the land, 2) flesh is put on the bones; the people reconstitute themselves as a nation, 3) the spirit is poured out on the bodies; the Holy Spirit is given to the nation of Israel and each man and his neighbor will come to saving faith.

From what I see and if my interpretation is correct, we are at stage two.

This is at least 1000 years away. It occurs at the end of the millenium...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

It is known as the Great White Throne Judgment.

[marianna]

those are all references to the final return to Jeruslam in time to be there when Jesus walked the region seeking the lost sheep of israel who werent actually lost as in what the bristish israelism people say.

jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad forever.

modern day jews dont have anything to do with furture prophecy.

there's only 1 covenant, the New Testament (Covenant\) in Christs Blood. anything esle is false religion. the flesh profits nothing, even if the people libing in modern israel were hebrews which they cant prove they are.

the hebrew prophets spoke pictorially, and the 'futurist' images that were not already fulfilled, spcecaially in Jesus are about the new jeruslam and eternityu. not real estate in the middle eaSt.

Jesus's kingdom was never of this world, and the ancientas knew that and never looked ofr a acontinuing city here. old jerusalem is and will until always be in bondage, so will her children.

[marianna]

Ezekiel describes the fulfillment in three stages: 1) bones rise and assemble; the return of the people to the land, 2) flesh is put on the bones; the people reconstitute themselves as a nation, 3) the spirit is poured out on the bodies; the Holy Spirit is given to the nation of Israel and each man and his neighbor will come to saving faith.

From what I see and if my interpretation is correct, we are at stage two.

all that was the people graoning in captivity in babylon. they said their bones were dried up, they were in 'graves'. God showed ezekiel to tell them that He wopuld deliver them out and put breath into them.

thats figurative hebrew langauge. it was fulfilled at Pentecost, when the gospel went to the jew forst, devout jews who came to jerusalem from every nation on earth. they heard the wonderful works of God (the Gospel, Jesus and all of it) in their own native langaiuges.

those who mocked and rejected were cut off. then the gospel went to the gentiles, just as the bible OT and NT always said it would.
that was and is the eternal purpose. which is lucky because jews today are gentiles so they should be glad to receive forgiveness of sins and be one with all the others God has set apart for Hsi family.

[BroRog]

all that was the people graoning in captivity in babylon. they said their bones were dried up, they were in 'graves'. God showed ezekiel to tell them that He wopuld deliver them out and put breath into them.

thats figurative hebrew langauge. it was fulfilled at Pentecost, when the gospel went to the jew forst, devout jews who came to jerusalem from every nation on earth. they heard the wonderful works of God (the Gospel, Jesus and all of it) in their own native langaiuges.

those who mocked and rejected were cut off. then the gospel went to the gentiles, just as the bible OT and NT always said it would.
that was and is the eternal purpose. which is lucky because jews today are gentiles so they should be glad to receive forgiveness of sins and be one with all the others God has set apart for Hsi family.

In my view, Pentecost prefigured Ezekiel 37. The idea that God would pour out his spirit on his people literally came true at Pentecost, but not literally on each and every son of Jacob living as a nation under covenant with God as Jeremiah foretold.

[Fenris]

jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad forever.

Lemme check.

Nope. Still exists. It's got more than 800,000 residents and is the capital of the modern state of Israel.

[John 8:32]

In my view, Pentecost prefigured Ezekiel 37. The idea that God would pour out his spirit on his people literally came true at Pentecost, but not literally on each and every son of Jacob living as a nation under covenant with God as Jeremiah foretold.

But I didn't see a resurrection with flesh, sinew, bone, muscle and blood. Furthermore, David is dead and buried and not ruling over anyone at this time.

[BroRog]

But I didn't see a resurrection with flesh, sinew, bone, muscle and blood. Furthermore, David is dead and buried and not ruling over anyone at this time.

What is the habit of the Jews? Do they let their bones lay out on the open ground or do they bury their dead? I think you will find that the Jews bury their dead.

Given that, notice Ezekiel's prophecy has the bones laid out on a valley floor. This is our first clue that the image is figurative, for illustration purposes. Ezekiel doesn't expect his readers to think that actual bones are going to come back to life. The bones represent something else. Later it is written,

11 Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say, `Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are completely cut off.' 12 "Therefore prophesy and say to them, `Thus says the Lord God, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13 "Then you will know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves and caused you to come up out of your graves, My people. 14 "I will put My Spirit within you and you will come to life, and I will place you on your own land. Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and done it," declares the Lord.' "

I have heard two plausible interpretations to this passage. The first interpretation understands the Lord's message in terms of a physical resurrection of the dead. At some time in Ezekiel's future, the Lord will literally raise the whole house of Israel back from the dead, and place them all in the land of their fathers. This would be a fantastic and awesome sight, and this is certainly within God's power. Praise God.

The second interpretation understands the word of the Lord in terms of a restored nation in which living individuals return to the land of Palestine, gather themselves into a living, vibrant nation, experience the outpouring of the Spirit of God, and make a new covenant with the Lord, as Jeremiah predicted.

I think the second interpretation is more likely, but if the first interpretation happens instead, I won't be disappointed either way.

[John 8:32]

Eze 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Eze 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Eze 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

It has more effect when you read from verse 7. This is the second resurrection of Rev 20:11-12.