When our loved ones pass away they DO NOT become our guardian angels

[TomH]

No, the smoker in me has repented, not died.

The unbeliever is held to the elementary principles of the world, (sin) We are no longer held responsible for those sins. They were abolished, dead in Christs death.

It has been appointed to man to die once. Hebrews 9:27. Which we know is not eternal, "But after this comes judgement.

If there are deaths that, in your opinion, are real, and deaths that are symbolic, and it is appointed to man to die ONCE, which are symbolic, and which is real?

Well, I have seen men die, so I'll go with that one.

[Reynolds357]

God writes that it is a death for a reason. God does not write that they are alive and separated from Him. That is something man has created, not God.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4.

"He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Revelation 2:11

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:14,15.

"The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved." Psalm 75:3.

"Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more." Psalm 104:35.

"Consume them in wrath, consume them, that they may not be." Psalm 59:13.

"The Lord preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy." Psalm 145:20

If we interpret the above passages as you suggest we interpret them, who will be in the lake of fire?

To grasp this concept, you need to understand that "death" has more than one meaning in scripture. Jesus died on the cross, but we are given account of what He was doing while He was "dead."
The rich man was "dead," but talking and being tormented while he was "dead." The dead in Christ are "dead," but they are alive in heaven as we speak and will return with Christ to this earth.
You are letting the strict English definition of a word trump the context and usage, and in so doing, falling into grave theological error.

[John 8:32]

If we interpret the above passages as you suggest we interpret them, who will be in the lake of fire?

To grasp this concept, you need to understand that "death" has more than one meaning in scripture. Jesus died on the cross, but we are given account of what He was doing while He was "dead."

Just out of curiosity, where is that account?

The rich man was "dead," but talking and being tormented while he was "dead." The dead in Christ are "dead," but they are alive in heaven as we speak and will return with Christ to this earth.

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Must have been a little better than David, and Abraham, and Moses and ...

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

You are letting the strict English definition of a word trump the context and usage, and in so doing, falling into grave theological error.

What you said.

[Reynolds357]

Just out of curiosity, where is that account?



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LK 23:43
Acts 2:27-31

[ewq1938]

which are symbolic, and which is real?

I explained that in my last post.

[ewq1938]

If we interpret the above passages as you suggest we interpret them, who will be in the lake of fire?

It is obvious who will be in the lake of fire.

To grasp this concept, you need to understand that "death" has more than one meaning in scripture. Jesus died on the cross, but we are given account of what He was doing while He was "dead."

Once again, there is a difference between death of the body and death of the soul. When Jesus "died" that is a reference to his human body dying, not his soul.

The rich man was "dead," but talking and being tormented while he was "dead." The dead in Christ are "dead," but they are alive in heaven as we speak and will return with Christ to this earth.
You are letting the strict English definition of a word trump the context and usage, and in so doing, falling into grave theological error.

That makes no sense in this conversation. You are the one who denies the second death as being a real death. You suggest that those of the second death are alive. Being alive after the first death is not the same thing and cannot be used as example. One is a body dying while the soul remains alive and the second death means no body nor soul alive....nothing remains alive and that is the difference.

[HollyRock]

That is correct. I guess it's a comforting thought to some people, however more comforting than that is knowing our loved one is with the Lord, (unless, heaven forbid, they don't know the Lord).

Jeanne

I could'nt agree more

[HollyRock]

LK 23:43
Acts 2:27-31

There is no account that I know of that says that our deceased loved ones do not become our guardian angels, but neither does it say thou shalt not smoke. Sometimes it's a matter of what the Bible does'nt say about a subject rather than what it does. For one thing, human's are of a different class of being than Angels are and we are not to confuse the two. We are children of the most high, angels are not, we can receive salvation, angels cannot, angels are to serve us, not us become them.

[Reynolds357]

There is no account that I know of that says that our deceased loved ones do not become our guardian angels, but neither does it say thou shalt not smoke. Sometimes it's a matter of what the Bible does'nt say about a subject rather than what it does. For one thing, human's are of a different class of being than Angels are and we are not to confuse the two. We are children of the most high, angels are not, we can receive salvation, angels cannot, angels are to serve us, not us become them.

Considering the fact that I have already dealt with this, I will pass on typing the same thing again.

[Reynolds357]

That makes no sense in this conversation. You are the one who denies the second death as being a real death. You suggest that those of the second death are alive. Being alive after the first death is not the same thing and cannot be used as example. One is a body dying while the soul remains alive and the second death means no body nor soul alive....nothing remains alive and that is the difference.

Are you a Jehovah's witness?

[ewq1938]

Are you a Jehovah's witness?

No,.........you?

[Reynolds357]

No,.........you?

No, but I am not the one who seemingly believes doctrine only commonly held by the J.W.'s.

[ewq1938]

No, but I am not the one who seemingly believes doctrine only commonly held by the J.W.'s.

What doctrine is that?

I had a discussion with someone a number of months ago who believed a man could have multiple wives, that wasn't you was it?

[Reynolds357]

What doctrine is that?

I had a discussion with someone a number of months ago who believed a man could have multiple wives, that wasn't you was it?

What doctrine have you been pushing this entire thread?

I said I see no prohibition in scripture against it. In this point in time, it does not really make sense to have multiple wives, but for those living in a time following a great war when the female to male ratio is 3:1 it makes perfect sense. I do not really care how many wives a man has because the Bible is silent on that point unless the man is holding an office of Church leadership. Your point?

[ewq1938]

What doctrine have you been pushing this entire thread?

Angels? There is nothing special about an Angel, a servant or messenger for God. Even humans are called angels in the bible. If humans are angels while alive as humans, it certainly isn't impossible to be an angel in the next world.

Your point?

That your doctrines are worse than the ones I hold.