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    Do Not Speak of Those Things Ehpesians 5:12

    I just wanted to see what you all think of these verses.

    Ephesians 5:
    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
    12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

    It seems that apart from reproving the evil doers themselves, we are not to even so much as SPEAK of such wicked things. What do you suppose this means?
    I've only recently begun to consider this and in my mind I used to just think we aren't supposed to talk LIKE those people who behave like the wicked behave. But lately I'm beginning to think that this has more to do with holy thoughts. I am thinking it may have more to do with keeping our minds pure of the anger and frustration we often feel because when we talk about it, we debate it and then there is division where there ought not to be. The homosexual debate is a fine example of that, simply because we've engaged in conversations about it, we are forced to consider what we say and how we feel about it, and therefore a division has come into the Church, some standing with the work while others standing with God. Why? Because we've engaged in conversation that we do not need to nor should we concern ourselves with. That's the world and their concern, not ours, because it is unholy.

    So with this example in mind I think that maybe part of the reason we aren't to even speak on the unfruitful works of darkness is it distracts us and causes strife, among us and within our own hearts. Soon our hearts are angry and our thoughts are full of "what can I say to PROVE...." when in reality we should be only concerned with how can we know our God better so that we can submit to Him better, thereby glorifying Him and reaching lost souls. And this would be the holy thinking and speech on our parts. If all we do is concern ourselves with the unfruitful works of darkness, soon we have lost our ways from the purpose for which God has placed us here.

    Just some thoughts on that.

    What say you?

    PS. Please let's avoid the homosexual debate, because that is not what this thread is about, I just used it as an example as to why I think that verse means what I think it means.
    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post
    You CANNOT rightly divide the word by plucking out ONE verse to prove a theory you devised! You just can't do that. If I adhered to your way of interpreting scripture, then I promise you I can show you a verse that will PROVE Jesus was the head of a gang of horse thieves!

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    Re: Do Not Speak of Those Things Ehpesians 5:12

    To properly discuss this, we must say what the unfruitful works of darkness are, yes?
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    Re: Do Not Speak of Those Things Ehpesians 5:12

    I don't know...do we?
    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post
    You CANNOT rightly divide the word by plucking out ONE verse to prove a theory you devised! You just can't do that. If I adhered to your way of interpreting scripture, then I promise you I can show you a verse that will PROVE Jesus was the head of a gang of horse thieves!

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    Re: Do Not Speak of Those Things Ehpesians 5:12

    That will be difficult, if we are not to speak of them...
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