DO YOU THINK ADAM AND EVE REALIZE ALL THE TROUBLE THEY CAUSED ?

[esper88]

Should we also wish that God had left himself hovering over the waters, never creating the Earth and life? Adam and Eve did what they did as part of God's plan. I don't imagine they are guilt ridden in heaven (or hell), as they are God's creatures. We all sin, and we can all be redeemed later on. Blessed is he who the lord corrects. One cannot be corrected if they never made the mistake. We can learn from Adam and Eve's mistake and understand the damning effects knowledge can have.

God's world is perfect, though never complete. Adam and Eve should not feel eternal guilt, as they are God's creatures, and they had to make their mistakes to enlighten the rest of humanity.

[Noeb]

Should we also wish that God had left himself hovering over the waters, never creating the Earth and life?

Had he not already created the earth and life thereon in the beginning, he would not have had water on the earth to move over. But I digress......

[glad4mercy]

You don't get to decide what a word means. Upright is not righteous as God is righteous. Man was created innocent and upright.

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

H3477
ישׁר
yâshâr
yaw-shawr'
From H3474; straight (literally or figuratively): - convenient, equity, Jasher, just, meet (-est), + pleased well right (-eous), straight, (most) upright (-ly, -ness).

BDB Definition:
1) straight, upright, correct, right
1a) straight, level
1b) right, pleasing, correct
1c) straightforward, just, upright, fitting, proper
1d) uprightness, righteous, upright
1e) that which is upright (substantive)

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 17:8 Upright men shall be astonied at this, and the innocent shall stir up himself against the hypocrite.

Psa 7:10 My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.

Psa 33:1 Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous: for praise is comely for the upright.

Psa 36:10 O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart.

Psa 37:14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.

Psa 37:37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.

Psa 112:2 His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed.

Psa 140:13 Surely the righteous shall give thanks unto thy name: the upright shall dwell in thy presence.

Pro 2:21 For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.

Pro 11:3 The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them.

Pro 11:6 The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness.

Pro 11:11 By the blessing of the upright the city is exalted: but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked.

Pro 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

Pro 21:18 The wicked shall be a ransom for the righteous, and the transgressor for the upright.

Pro 29:27 An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.

Isa 26:7 The way of the just is uprightness: thou, most upright, dost weigh the path of the just.

1. Amen. Man was created innocent and upright.

2. You are right. This verse is speaking of how man was created, not born. Now I do believe that man is born innocent. I am just not sure about the upright part. An infant has very little ability of it's own, and as soon as a person reaches an age where they can make moral decisions, they fall short of God's standard of righteousness. So while we may not be born with personal sin, we are born in a state where falling is inevitable.

[Noeb]

1. Amen. Man was created innocent and upright.

2. You are right. This verse is speaking of how man was created, not born. Now I do believe that man is born innocent. I am just not sure about the upright part. An infant has very little ability of it's own, and as soon as a person reaches an age where they can make moral decisions, they fall short of God's standard of righteousness. So while we may not be born with personal sin, we are born in a state where falling is inevitable.

Agreed.......................