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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    I think the main issue here is with procedure, not the act itself. As had been stated, Reagan signed a bill, abiding in the law of the land, not leapfrogging over our other branches of goverment to score political points.

    Presidents are not supposed to be despots creating their own laws.
    No but this one is. And guess what - no one's going to stop him. Oh sure a few bloggers will whine. Big deal. Think the Republicans are going to do anything? Someone actually going to challenge this? Not likely. They won't because no one will stand up and say this is not the right thing to do, at least not yet.

    In my opinion, never enact a law like this without first doing a reasonable job of securing the border, and without first putting in place an infrastructure that can handle the influx and root out the cheaters. I guarantee Mexicans are lining up at the border as we speak. How long have you been here? Oh, ah, 5 years, sure. OK, here's your drivers license and oh, be sure to vote Democrat in the next election. Don't worry, we really don't check your birth certificate.

    Think they will deport you if you are under 16? No. Will they deport your parents? No. Will they deport you when you turn 31? No. That 800,000 is about to become 12 million.

    Mexican president Calderon praised Obama for this "courageous" act. Why? To get rid of all those people who are fed up with Mexican corruption. If they had to stay in Mexico, they just might decide to fix things at home. And no one wants that.
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    You're right. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevLogos View Post
    Mexican president Calderon praised Obama for this "courageous" act. Why? To get rid of all those people who are fed up with Mexican corruption. If they had to stay in Mexico, they just might decide to fix things at home. And no one wants that.
    Hi RevLogos
    Mexico's president Calderon desire for the Mexicans to stay here is not about wanting to prevent a revolution . It is about the money . Mexicans sending money home is Mexico's welfare system . Without the money from people here in the states sending cash there . Things would fall apart . He may have another reason that is close to what you are thinking . Calderon belongs to Mexico's consertave party an the folks leaving usually belong to Mexico's more liberal party .
    So think of it this way what Republican would not pass up on sending a few million voting Democrats to Cannada .
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    Piece from NRO on the subject

    Obama’s Bad DREAM
    By Rich Lowry
    June 19, 2012 12:00 A.M.

    Next time, Congress shouldn’t bother. In another chapter in a long-running battle, it voted in December 2010 on the DREAM Act granting amnesty to illegal immigrants brought here as children. The lawmakers appeared to believe that they were entrusted with determining whether or not the legislation became law.

    How quaint. Passage of the DREAM Act wasn’t necessary, and its defeat — by a filibuster in the Senate — was an irrelevance. Despite all the votes through the years, all the competing versions of the bill, all the attempts to find a compromise, Congress was nothing more than a Toastmasters meeting adorned with the trappings of legislative power.

    Last week the Obama administration activated the central provisions of the DREAM Act by wielding the most awesome power in Washington — President Barack Obama’s say-so. He must imagine himself as fit for the company of the great lawgivers Hammurabi and Moses on the frieze over the Supreme Court. In one memorandum signed by his Homeland Security secretary, he claimed powers that literally once belonged to kings.

    Supporters of the DREAM Act felt compelled to pass an amnesty for certain illegal immigrants for the simple reason that current, duly constituted law makes it illegal for them to be here. The president dispensed with all that by deciding to ignore the law that Congress failed to change. In his capacity as the country’s one-man legislature, he exempts illegal immigrants under the age of 30 who came here when they were young from deportation and authorizes them to work.

    The writers of the U.S. Constitution knew about overweening executives. They stipulated that the president “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” to prevent him from arbitrarily picking those that he will enforce or disregard. British kings once made this a practice. It so irked parliament that England had a Glorious Revolution establishing parliamentary supremacy. If James II were around to pass judgment on the president’s executive presumption, he would, no doubt, heartily approve.

    Not long ago, the president recoiled from the notion that he could act on his own to effect the DREAM Act. Back in 2008, Obama upbraided President George W. Bush for merely appending so-called signing statements to bills. Signing statements — used to note constitutional qualms about provisions in legislation that otherwise passes muster — are marginalia compared to unilaterally reworking the nation’s laws.

    Asked why he wasn’t striking out on his own on the DREAM Act at a September 2011 event with Hispanics, the president responded with an unmistakable rebuke: “The fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true.”

    This keen understanding of the constitutional boundaries and legal requirements of his office apparently applied only so long as he wasn’t running even in the polls. With his reelection at stake, “the fact of the matter” looks different. The obligation to enforce the laws changes depending on how many electoral votes might be at stake and on the counsel of David Plouffe, Esquire. The ultimate justification for the president’s move is simple: Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Florida.

    It is true, as the administration says, that the executive branch necessarily exercises discretion in enforcing the laws. It can set priorities, but it cannot exempt wholesale a class of people from the law. It is not merely “prosecutorial discretion,” to borrow the administration’s phrase, to hand out brand-new work authorizations. Since when is that the task of prosecutors? The authorizations bestow a legal status that, as a practical matter, will never be taken away.

    Even if that’s the right call, it’s not one for President Obama to make. Not for the first time, he’s proven himself callow, cynical, and contemptuous of our constitutional order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dravenhawk View Post
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...gration-policy

    In a mid morning news presser Emperor Obama announced today he was granting "amnesty" to a specific class of illeagal aliens who came to this country illeagally as children brought here by parrents who came here illeagally. This act is completely unconstitutional and bybasses the congress and courts. Whats next Congress is disolved? Elections suspended? Emperor Obama declares himself as King?

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    2 Timothy 3:1-5, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, Galatians 5:19-21, Romans 1:26-27, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7, Psalms 2:1, Ecclesiastes 1:2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimblewillsgrace View Post
    I am in no way an Obama supporter but he clearly said that it was NOT amnesty or a path to citizenship.
    Yet he is circumventing the immigration laws by ordering some of them to be ignored, or to not be enforced.

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    Of course it's amnesty. Does Obama's words now alter reality?
    Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laish View Post
    Hi RevLogos
    Mexico's president Calderon desire for the Mexicans to stay here is not about wanting to prevent a revolution . It is about the money . Mexicans sending money home is Mexico's welfare system . Without the money from people here in the states sending cash there . Things would fall apart . He may have another reason that is close to what you are thinking . Calderon belongs to Mexico's consertave party an the folks leaving usually belong to Mexico's more liberal party .
    So think of it this way what Republican would not pass up on sending a few million voting Democrats to Cannada .
    LoL
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirToady View Post
    Look at the following verses, which help explain the times we are in:
    2 Timothy 3:1-5, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, Galatians 5:19-21, Romans 1:26-27, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7, Psalms 2:1, Ecclesiastes 1:2.

    How about II Thessalonians 2:1-8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nimblewillsgrace View Post
    I am in no way an Obama supporter but he clearly said that it was NOT amnesty or a path to citizenship.
    If he is not deporting illegals, AND is giving them the right to work here LEGALLY, then it IS amnesty, no matter what Obama says. I have no problem with immigration, when done the RIGHT way, and legally. If you do it illegally, IMHO, you SHOULD be deported.

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    If illeagal aliens voted 90% Republican I wonder if Obama would grant them the same leiniancy and favor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dravenhawk View Post
    Personally I would perfer to send Americas liberals to Siberia -- Canada is too close

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    Still to close. Alpha Centauri would be better but still kinda close

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