I feel like i'm being persicuted by other Christians over a misunderstanding.

[DeRick]

I was on a Christian Youtube channel and it seems they were having a theolgy disscussion or something can't remember. and i said something that disprove an athiests view compared to a Christian i said "IF athiesm was right that there is no God or devil or Heaven or Hell. Just this life on earth...then there would be no death...think about it."
they automaticly thought I was an athiest, of all things, i even been calld an idiot. All i meant to say was just the fact that there is death proves the athiest wrong.
now tell me honestly was that wrong to say? Why or why not.

[Dani H]

Don't let it bother you. People on the internet are mostly just rude and obnoxious.

Youtube is the LAST place I would go and hope to have an intelligent discussion with ... well, anybody. Too many trolls. Too many ignorant people. Too many people who aren't there for discussion to begin with. So, who cares? Don't worry about it, and just move on with your life.

You were being heckled.

Which is NOT being persecuted.

When people persecute people, people end up in prison or killed.

Lots of hecklers on the Internet. Lots of hecklers in real life. Has nothing to do with persecution, really.

[DeRick]

OK, well with all the heckeling thing aside, do you think it's bad theology to say to an athiest that the reality of death proves there is a God?

[Dani H]

OK, well with all the heckeling thing aside, do you think it's bad theology to say to an athiest that the reality of death proves there is a God?

Depends on what you're backing it up with and how well you're capable of explaining your internal logic that got you to such a statement. Because I gotta be honest, I'm not following your logic on that one. Care to explain?

[DeRick]

think for a moment...IF the athiests were right and there is no God or Satan, no Heaven or Hell. then nothing we do would be considered sin. we could no good nor badm right nor wrong. no real consenquences, no death. another thing would be if all we are are bodies but with life, we know that life goes on eternaly right, therefore this physical life would go on eternaly. i was reading something on Facebook that said "You don't have a Soul, you ARE a Soul", i've always believed that. that "life" that i refered to IS the Soul that goes on forever. WE ARE SOULS, NOT BODIES! But since there is a Holy God and our bodies are stricken with the sin nature that ends in death, we need new bodies , don't we? And all because of what Jesus Christ has done for us, we will have new bodies. i proudly blame Jesus for me ending up in Heaven with Him.
i guess maybe thats what i was thinking when i wrote that. i just didnt elaborate.

[Dani H]

Gotcha. Your theory's got some holes in it because it's built on the presupposition of God existing but hey (you can't logically prove something by presupposing it's true), it's as good as most I've seen. Keep working on it.

I agree with you though that without sin there is no death. Without God setting this principle into place there would be no death as a result of sin (because He is the only One who defines sin as such) so it's all based on God being real.

However, I'd encourage you to get your eyes off atheists and quit trying to prove to anyone that God exists. Because God is His own proof. His creation is proof. He's got that part covered already and it's really not our problem whether or not people accept it. Don't take someone else's unbelief personal because it's between that person and God, not between that person and you. Jesus never said to His disciples, "get people to believe in God." Or did He? No. Just live and preach the Gospel of the Kingdom and encourage others to enter. However, whether or not they end up believing ... isn't your problem.

You've got nothing to prove to anyone, except to Jesus that you would live for Him since you were created by Him, for Him.

So ... just live the way you know Jesus wants you to live, treat other people the way He wants you to, and let your life be proof He is real.

[DeRick]

Werll the youtube board that i was on had some athiests on it and then when i put in my 2 cents, i sounded more like an athiest than a belieaver. i usauly don't join in those conversations because i usualy end up saying the wrong thing. Remember the saying "Stay off my side"?, well, thats been hinted to me alot of times throughout my life.

[andrew_no_one]

What if you were to say that life is proof that God exists?

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

[Dani H]

What if you were to say that life is proof that God exists?

Pssh. Evolution created its own self life. Don't you know anything?

[DeRick]

Pssh. Evolution created its own self life. Don't you know anything?

EXACTLY! That's sorta what i was thinking so i wanted to go from another angle. if they say the evolution created life, then what created death? What would be thier answer? hehe

[Dani H]

EXACTLY! That's sorta what i was thinking so i wanted to go from another angle.

Why? Let them prove how evolution created life from nothing by showing us actual concrete visible, recreatable evidence (like they demand "proof" of God with). Science demands proof via the scientific method. Follow your own rules, eh? Burden of proof's on the theorist.

[andrew_no_one]

Let them prove how evolution created life from nothing

0+0=Everything....savy?
I think the burden of proof should be on those with the outrageous claims.

[Dani H]

0+0=Everything....savy?
I think the burden of proof should be on those with the outrageous claims.

I find it rather interesting how one can claim everything was done completely randomly and accidentally, while at the same time using formulas and principles to explain the consistency of such randomness and the laws behind it. That's when my brain pretty much checks out and I start twitching, because ... wait, what?

[Withoutfcf]

Don't think to much about youtube Hecklers.. They are just there to hurt your feelings..

As far as the argument that Death proves a God..well.. Thats not true.

If God is not real then death is no longer a penalty, Death is just something that has to happen to return energy back from where it came.
Since we Evolved and nothing is Infinite.. Since we are biological machines..we would have a beginning and an end.
You're thinking from the point of view..IF God still existed.
So Death doesn't prove God.

The quote you're thinking of is "you do not have a soul, You are a soul. You have a body." By C.S Lewis.
What it means is we are spiritual beings living in a physical world. We are a soul and we have a temporary body.
But our soul is eternal(Through Christ).

But sincerely Keep thirsting after knowledge! Never stop!
Find truth beyond all means and Seek Christ Lovingly.

Theology is a pretty fun thing... So are apologetics..
Don't be scared to ask!

[SPITWAD]

It is hard to prove God's existence or to prove that He is real through death, it is through life it's self that we find the truth about God, the infinite, and the expansive, through the suffering and death of Jesus. That is where we find God, that is if we really want to look. If death is not the beginning of judgment, then we have no reason to be afraid of it. deep inside we all know that we are all eternal creatures,there is no way to avoid this truth because it is written in our DNA, we can not unwrite ourselves. It only makes sense that if there is a physical life and death, there is also a spiritual life and death, there is an up a down, in and out, and life and death.