SYMOLISM USED IN THE BIBLE COULD BE PART OF AN ANCIENT LANGUAGE!

[Michael Clay]

Hi everyone,

This is my first post. A friend from church gave me a video series explaining in detail the the symbols used in the parables and the book of revelations are actually all connected to each other.
The video series is called 'The Language of the Birds - Biblical' and is on youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb2M5gAf-hk&feature=plcp

It explains that DIRT represent TRANSGRESSION and the DUST represent DEFIANCE and it explains why with references.

Its amazing how these symbols work! I dont believe the person who made this video has correctly interpreted all the symbols correctly. I was hoping that if we all put our heads together we can figure out there true meanings.

[Raybob]

Greetings Michael and welcome to the forum. This is a discussion board, not a place to just tell us about what someone else says on youtube or in a book. Could you please tell us what you see in how these symbols represent things, and which passages are we speaking about? Might help get a discussion rolling. I'm just not one for discussing what someone thinks, without that someone to discuss with (author of video series).

[dancedwithdolphin]

Dont mistake a parable (symbolism) with shadow pictures. And dont buy into symbolism as an answer for all scripture. That is how you get wild theory and speculation. Such as the gap theory.

Parables/symbols are used to convey a message in terms we understand. (John 3) 9 “How are these things possible?” Nicodemus asked.

10 Jesus replied, “You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don’t understand these things? 11 I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won’t believe our testimony. 12 But if you don’t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things?

He didnt understand things about being born again. Just as Jesus gave examples as to what the Kingdom of Heaven is like: Matthew 13

44 `Again, the reign of the heavens is like to treasure hid in the field, which a man having found did hide, and from his joy goeth, and all, as much as he hath, he selleth, and buyeth that field.

45 `Again, the reign of the heavens is like to a man, a merchant, seeking goodly pearls,

46 who having found one pearl of great price, having gone away, hath sold all, as much as he had, and bought it.


Shadow Pictures are like what Jesus said here: John 3

14 And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.[f]


Now Gap Theory implies that it could take billions of years to create the heavens and the earth. When God inspired scripture clearly declares it only took 6 days and on the 7th He rested.

Now my opinion is this: The bird language is not the very first language. I believe it was Hebrew. Everyone spoke the same language until the tower of babel. Then it is believed that 70 languages came into exhistance. The oldest Hebrew is pictoral. Later transforming into Paleo-Hebrew, Babylonian script style Hebrew, and Modern Hebrew (which is actually a biblical Hebrew). I believe there will be more discoveries about our distant past. It would be so neat to see if manuscripts were saved from the time of Adam or even things written down by Noah. How cool would that be!

There is so much we dont know that these people could clarify. Like what was the world like before the fall? And then to Noah, what was the differences in the two worlds (before and after the flood)?

Keep searching for the truth. God never disappoints when you are searching for the real truth.

[Boo]

Now Gap Theory implies that it could take billions of years to create the heavens and the earth. When God inspired scripture clearly declares it only took 6 days and on the 7th He rested.

No, it doesn't.

[adampjr]

That's not exactly what gap theory means. You're thinking of long-day creationism (which can coincide with gap theory, but not inevitably). It's also not clear that Genesis 1 is not metaphorical.

Gap theory suggests a break in time in the creation narrative - which is consistent with short-day creationism.

Another thing that is not at clear is that the Adamic Language was Hebrew. There is not a lot of historical and linguistic evidence to support the idea that Hebrew is the oldest language (as far as I know, feel free to present some).

[Raybob]

That's not exactly what gap theory means. You're thinking of long-day creationism (which can coincide with gap theory, but not inevitably). It's also not clear that Genesis 1 is not metaphorical.

Gap theory suggests a break in time in the creation narrative - which is consistent with short-day creationism.

Another thing that is not at clear is that the Adamic Language was Hebrew. There is not a lot of historical and linguistic evidence to support the idea that Hebrew is the oldest language (as far as I know, feel free to present some).

The 'gap theory' I'm familiar with, in prophecy, was invented by those that don't believe Jesus brought us the kingdom of God at the cross. Daniel 9 predicted 70 weeks of years (490 years) until the kingdom came. People that don't believe Jesus brought that kingdom to us then insert a gap of time (2000+ years) into Daniel's prophecy and separate that last 'week' into some future time period, after the second coming, as if that last week wasn't part of that 490 years that was prophesied. That 'gap' is inserted by assuming certain visions Daniel saw were not really what they were but were actually about some other thing, like the covenant wasn't actually the new covenant that Jesus brought, but it was some covenant that a future world ruler will bring before the second coming. They insert an anti-Christ into Daniel 9, but Daniel 9 never mentioned any such thing. Daniel 9 was all about predicting the new covenant that Jesus brought at the cross.

[Boo]

The 'gap theory' I'm familiar with, in prophecy, was invented by those that don't believe Jesus brought us the kingdom of God at the cross. Daniel 9 predicted 70 weeks of years (490 years) until the kingdom came. People that don't believe Jesus brought that kingdom to us then insert a gap of time (2000+ years) into Daniel's prophecy and separate that last 'week' into some future time period, after the second coming, as if that last week wasn't part of that 490 years that was prophesied. That 'gap' is inserted by assuming certain visions Daniel saw were not really what they were but were actually about some other thing, like the covenant wasn't actually the new covenant that Jesus brought, but it was some covenant that a future world ruler will bring before the second coming. They insert an anti-Christ into Daniel 9, but Daniel 9 never mentioned any such thing. Daniel 9 was all about predicting the new covenant that Jesus brought at the cross.

That is a totally different "gap theory" from the one I am familiar with.

[watchinginawe]

Hi everyone,

This is my first post. A friend from church gave me a video series explaining in detail the the symbols used in the parables and the book of revelations are actually all connected to each other.
The video series is called 'The Language of the Birds - Biblical' and is on youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb2M5gAf-hk&feature=plcp

It explains that DIRT represent TRANSGRESSION and the DUST represent DEFIANCE and it explains why with references.

Its amazing how these symbols work! I dont believe the person who made this video has correctly interpreted all the symbols correctly. I was hoping that if we all put our heads together we can figure out there true meanings.

Michael, what is being proposed in that video is a allegorical hermeneutic. Interpreting scripture in such a manner suggests that the Bible's message is hidden and that only with the allegorical hermeneutic keys can the "true meanings" of Scripture be discerned. Another similiar hermeneutic is numerology, where numbers have specific meanings or guidance in how to interpret the text.

The problem with these methods is that they suggest a high degree of esotericism in ascertaining Biblical truth and it makes it near impossible to discern the original writer's intended meaning to the original audience. Because of these difficulties, these hermeneutics are not seen as reliable. I suppose your mileage may vary though!

[jesse]

Michael, what is being proposed in that video is a allegorical hermeneutic. Interpreting scripture in such a manner suggests that the Bible's message is hidden and that only with the allegorical hermeneutic keys can the "true meanings" of Scripture be discerned. Another similiar hermeneutic is numerology, where numbers have specific meanings or guidance in how to interpret the text.

The problem with these methods is that they suggest a high degree of esotericism in ascertaining Biblical truth and it makes it near impossible to discern the original writer's intended meaning to the original audience. Because of these difficulties, these hermeneutics are not seen as reliable. I suppose your mileage may vary though!

Not to mention that this way of interpreting the bible was made popular by Origen Adamantius and was something the greeks were fond of doing because their gods were lunatics. Jewish folks didn't interpret the bible in that fashion at the time of Christ so it is probably foreign to the authorial intent of the scriptures.

Gap theory comes from recognizing a break between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. It's an odd Dispensational view that most Dispensationals disagree with, myself included. Gap theory comes from reading the bible in a literal historical grammatical way but is probably pushed past that by scientific influence as well as just concentrating on verses for too long in an effort to see what it "really means." As little credit as i give Gap Theory, it still holds much more water than any esoteric interpretation of the bible.